Manga and anime are forms of entertainment. There is a huge fanbase for it in both the western and eastern world, whom enjoy it greatly. If an object fulfills the intended task, it cannot be worthless nor useless. As such it does not qualify as trash.
You're pulling out the definitions on me? The art style is worthless, there's more time and skill put into 5 minutes of The Simpsons then there is in an entire episode of Naruto. The characters are cut and pastes, the background get frozen and panned for minutes at a time. And the writing. The writing. Anime/manga is the least technical art form this side of postmodernism. There's a good goddamn reason no one in the western art world takes it seriously. It is trash.
Yes, I am going to pull out definitions on the writing forum site. I'm sorry, but right now you seem to be pushing your views on us with few, if any valid points of argument. First you proclaim anime as overtly simplistic, then claim The Simpsons are better. Cartoons must be copy paste to an extent, as it's too impractical to draw completely new backgrounds for every scene. Frankly, I don't like western art at all, and I steer clear entirely myself. The art styles clash, and it's too jarring in my eyes to bother with both. And you complain the writing is horrible without backing it up with relevant examples. (Don't say DBZ, even I don't like that show.)
For a thread with the title "amature artist needs halp[sic]" you're resisting a lot of advice from someone qualified to give it.
As an erotica writer and a fan of hentai, I'm going to have to disagree that it's trash. Some of it is abhorrent, yes, and I would never recommend those specific ones. Because of the nature of this forum I will not post examples, but if an erotic work affects a person beyond the base requirement of getting off, if ANY work makes a person feel something, there is merit in that and it's not trash. I used to think the SAW movies were trash. I thought they were stupid torture porn knock-offs of other horror movies, specifically my favourite one. Then I watched them. There is a story there, throughout all seven movies there is a story. Characters grow, motivations are uncovered, and twists happen. SAW III was my favourite, and then SAW VI happened and I was furious because it uncovered something about my favourite character that I felt went against everything we had known until then. It showed how deranged and vicious this character could be. I felt betrayed. I was angry. But this stupid goreporn I had previously dismissed made me feel something. Something I can articulate years after seeing it. Ergo, it's art. Is it good art? Probably not, but it certainly isn't trash. Lately, I've been thinking a lot about the term "That was better than it had any right to be." and I heartily disagree with this term. Everything has the right to be good. I dismissed the LEGO Movie as a shameless kiddy cash-grab along the vein of Transformers, but that movie is amazing! The Sistine Chapel ceiling was just a paycheck. As long as something has been made with love, and care, and the creator truly feels they have a story or a work in them, that is not trash. It doesn't matter if it's a painting of a soup can, the Sistine Chapel, SAW, hentai, if there is love or passion behind the work it is not, and will never be, trash. I feel we've derailed the post enough so I'm going to step away from this thread now. Good luck with your comic Yume!
Have you ever tried to draw anime before? I tried and it's very difficult and detailed. Many western animators get their inspirations from Anime. It is not trash, these people are diligent and patient;even immensely talented.
I'm resisting because at this point, it isn't help. Giving me anatomy links- great. Showing tips to improve my art? Sure. Telling me to throw away everything I've been working on since I started to draw seriously and saying everything I like is trash? Nope.
Maybe not, maybe so, who knows, but maybe you could take from his criticism: Don't fall into the uninventiveness of general anime art style?
This may not have come up before, but I'm an actual artist, with a degree and shows, getting paid and everything. So not only have I tried manga style, I've become disillusioned shortly thereafter. I walked away from the art "form" long before my teachers vowed to beat it out of my classmates. I still know alumni who use it. They are not employed in their field. And @Yume, throwing out everything you've ever worked on and starting over was the best advice I ever got, and now I'm giving it to you. Burn it all and start fresh.
Sorry, but manga is the reason I got into art- not only that, I do not intend for art to be my main occupation, as the entertainment industry payout can be horrible when people are in financial strain. I'm looking to (stereotypically asian) become an engineer, (tech is on the rise) so all of this would be a side thing. Unless someone, like you or other professional artists, relies on art for a paycheck, I think entertainment should be enjoyed by the creator first, otherwise, there isn't much point in it in the first place.
I understand where your priorities are. Sorry if I offended your work when I never said Anime was better. I just said it takes just as much work. No need to flaunt your money around like you're 2chainz. I respect all artists and think they're incredibly gifted, there's no denying that reality.
