Do you ever worry about offending certain readers?

I wasn't yelling at you at all, and I think the fact that you think I am kinda maybe says something about how you're reading this. I was literally talking about my experience. I said I didn't think you would understand because @Shenanigator doesn't understand and is in the situation you thought you would understand.

I'm not mad at you. I have no horse in this race, as far as your father and yourself are concerned. This is maybe one of those things that really isn't about you. I directed the first part to you not understanding him - the entirety of the rest is talking about me. Do with it what you will.

I wasn't saying you were refusing to do anything. Seriously. I was talking about me.

 

Here's where it sounds like you're mad at me:

And maybe I read that wrong. But when you're informing me how wrong I am to be wrapped up in my pain... You can understand how that reads, right?

 

I read that as, "How could anyone be so ignorant that they don't realize what they see on the news, commercials, in books, and on Oprah / Dr. Phil, is wrong?"

Sometimes things get messy when you use "you" as a replacement for "one", rather than directly attributing it to whoever you're replying to... if that makes sense. Not sure if that happened here though.

 

Duuuuuuude. I was saying that it's clear that he's wrong and of course you can't understand. I was talking... you know... logic.

 

I read that as "How could you be so wrong..." since it was in reference to my post, with bits bolded.

 

Ah, just a miscommunication, seems to me.

 

In which case I apologise; it read to me as I am wrong for not understanding, and not growing as a person, and I'm not obliged to grow but I haven't and I should.

 

Speaking of me misreading things, I thought Trish's status ("Lost... got any breadcrumbs I can follow?") was about you, @LostThePlot. lol

 

Alas not, I believe that's been her status for like... Years? Certainly as long as I've been here anyway I think.

 

I was talking about logic, my experience, and how I see it.

As @Foxxx said, perhaps my use of the word 'you'.

 

Yeah... no.

 

Well, as I say, seeing you quoting me with bolded bits and jumping into "you".

 

Yep. Because I was talking to you in the first part, but.... dear god.

Never mind.

 

I'm just glad that the DEFCON level has gone down.

You think this was a bad miscommunication? The world almost ended over one, but Stanislov Petrov caught it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

 

In my defense, I did say that I didn't follow what you were saying exactly... *shrug*

 

Yeah, I know, just wondering how many different ways you'd like me to explain that you've taken something personally that wasn't personal to anyone but myself.

 

And I don't know how many different ways you want me to say sorry for misreading it. I read it as "You can't understand" not "You can't understand" and that mistake, for mistake it was, made it feel like it was aimed at me. And I was wrong, and you were right, and I'm sorry for any damage to your reputation that this may have occasioned.

 

Seriously, I don't know if you're purposely being overly dramatic or what, but really, I didn't ask for an apology - ever. I'm aware of how you read it, and the more you respond, the more I think you should re-read the post that started this. Particularly the part at the end where I said everything is not about me and maybe see if anything there applies to how you're handling this current situation.

And I don't give a fuck about my reputation in regards to this current conversation.

 

I will take this matter under advisement.

 

*bomb defused*

Definitely time for another round of Johnny Walker, I think.

 

Yeah, maybe for you. And that's good and all. The thing is though, I was trying to have a serious conversation about something that I, personally, think should have some gravity and seriousness, and now it's been reduced to appeasing a dramatic hissy fit which kinda makes the point I was making to begin with.

Sometimes this shit is so exhausting it's really just not even worth it. But thanks for the cute video.

 

My apologies. I meant no offense. No pun intended, either. The conversation was just going in circles and I was trying to lighten the mood.

Well, if you want to talk business, we can talk business. From time to time I hear debates about spanking. Reading your prior posts, it's clear to me that this is not the kind of abuse you experienced. But do you think spanking is abuse?

 

Sorry. I wasn't offended by you, @Foxxx . Just frustrated.

No, definitely not what I experienced and yes, I do. I don't think there's a reason to put your hands on a child with anything but love.

 

Spanking is complicated. Because I do see the rationale that people use for it; that with smaller kids who you can't talk down and can't necessarily discipline in a meaningful sense outside of that. I like to think I would be a better dad than that, but at the same time I don't know how else you handle that kind of situation, although that may just be not being a parent so I haven't had the chance to try talking to smaller kids or whatever else.

I do think it's abusive still, but I can understand why some people say it isn't.

 

No problem!

I'm not so sure myself. I mean, if a child is young and they need to be taught that something is seriously unacceptable, can you convey that with words? I feel as if they're not developed enough to comprehend a convincing, logical argument, whereas a smack on the butt will do the trick.

That's usually what comes to my mind. If they do something extremely bad, can they understand that at such an early age? Sure, you can say "Don't do that" in a mean voice, but that doesn't really carry any more weight than if they took a cookie when they weren't supposed to.