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  1. HelloThere

    HelloThere Contributing Member

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    For all you poets.

    Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by HelloThere, May 6, 2014.

    Love this dude, all his videos are really interesting but I wondered what some of the poets on the forum thought about this.
     
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    thirdwind Contributing Member Contest Administrator Reviewer Contributor

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    God bless postmodernism, where anything makes sense if you want it to.

    I leave you with a poem:

     
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    We should post our poems in the Workshop and see what kind of responses we get. :p
     
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    @thirdwind that's not exactly how I'd describe "postmodernism" - you are of course alluding to commonly perceived randomness and subjectivism, but that always stroke me as a bit vulgar interpretation (if it is an interpretation in the first place) from the perspective of supposed late "neo"-modernists. Somehow, in my mind, the word "postmodern" itself has always been related to a particular Anglo-Saxon interpretation (or rather: unwillingness to seriously indulge in comprehension) of continental theory. Seeing how deconstructivists, for example, never used "postmodern" to describe themselves...scorned on the term, actually :)
     
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    I'm going with the definition put forth by Foucault et al.

     
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    @thirdwind I have a problem with the very first sentence from the source :D
    "Movement" is a rather ridiculous term for something like postmodernism :) ...the source does get over it later, praise Jesus...

    I just object to anti-objectivism being equalized with subjectivism - which is how most people see the idea of "Anything goes" in art.
     
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    Why? A lot of definitions of postmodernism, including those found on Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, and several university websites, use the word "movement."
     
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    @thirdwind well, for example, wikipedia says:
    Which doesn't make sense. And is, simply put, wrong. It implies that, in a way, reaction to modernity didn't happen till the late 20th century. It implies organization, tendency towards a unison voice, etc. It implies departure. And it doesn't imply linguistics, anthropology and other humanities. :)
     
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    It makes sense to me.

    If you're saying that it was a gradual process, then yes, I agree with you. But your issue seems to be with the word "movement," and I'm still not sure why you have a problem with that word.

    Is this definition from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy better?
     
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    @thirdwind more or less :)
    Yeah, I do have an issue with "movement", because it makes a curious leap between an actual late-20th century American architecture movement and goes back to Nietzsche... that's what makes little sense to me. Reminds me of the way they taught us about baroque or avant-guard in high school - I believed that Bach consciously belonged to a an actual school of thought, and that you could somehow talk about surrealism and futurism in the same sentence - a distortion of common sense to me...
     
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    OK, I see where you're coming from, though I would argue that movement is being used in a different sense when defining postmodernism. But that's not so important right now. I have an essay due tomorrow for class, and I still have a lot to get done. :(
     
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