Full nudity, why so few guy parts? (Warning - very frank discussion)

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  1. GingerCoffee

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    I'm not seeing it. He's just discussing context, no bashing apparent. You never clarified which points of JJ's were valid. I apologize but I'm really not following your thinking here.
     
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    Yes context, and to be honest the reason why you weren't following my thinking is because you and JJ both where to be honest had both rather opposite view points. Its rather hard to stand in the middle ground when both of you are like tigers leading the communication. The only reason why you or JJ don't see other points because your both well... to be blunt alpha's. You don't like to be challenged do you. And anyone of your friends that are challenged and you do not follow, you then use reflecting techniques and claim others are calling you stupid, when you yourself are the one calling them stupid. In a reflective kind of way... I find this form of tactic rather amusing and tactless. Yet you stand tall later claiming its not me WOLF WOLF WOLF... But hey then others jump onto your band wagon too. Because it becomes a feeding frenzy at this point, and your lack of control to exhibit true intelligence well I think I'll be the bigger man knowing exactly how you are already. Being now your next move will to DENY DENY and attempt to state you never attacked or called anyone stupid and then use more reflecting and claim that its still a discussion yet your neurosis has bitten into you and well... tough

    Walking away
    Yours Kram
     
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    You are seriously messed up, dude. I didn't say any of those things. How is saying women are more beautiful than men in any way to do with Christianity? Grow up. This isn't a time for you and Ginger to have some little Christian-bashing party. And the fact that Ginger supports you, just makes you both bias, ignorant bigots because that's what you are. Bigots.

    Just a bunch of bullies with henchmen ruling the playground, and it's sad.
     
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    :confused: WTF?

    Now we are Christian bashing? You can't be serious.
     
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    Let's address the context in this post. It's culturally historical. There's no bashing. Christianity played a huge role in the evolution of culture, especially as regard to sexual mores. If we were in the Middle East one could say the same thing about the influence of Islam on sexual mores. WAC is simply describing the history of sexual mores. He even complemented Christians in the post.

    What on Earth in this post is Christian bashing, JJ and Kramit?
     
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    Honestly, how completely illiterate are you?

     
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    Do you disagree with WAC's historical account? Think it's untrue, that women are seen as second class citizens, even as property in both the Islamic and Christian historical perspective? It doesn't matter what Christians today believe, WAC was talking about historical roots. And frankly, it's historical fact. Can you say it isn't? Hell, it's historical Biblical fact. You don't need any more evidence than the Bible to see the cultural treatment of women in Christian belief.
     
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    I'm seriously leaving this thread and ignoring every bigot in here before I get in trouble. I honestly don't understand the sheer disrespect in this thread. I will be reporting WaC's post for trolling/flaming and I think I will be taking a break from the forums for a while until something restores my faith in humanity. Fucking. Ridiculous.
     
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    Your lucky I'm listening to Heaven and Hell - Black Sabbath... But to be frank... No.... Just No...
     
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    Any chance we could get back to penises on this thread? o_O
     
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    Why not just call it misandry?

    Anyway, here's a perspective from yet another culture: here in Finland (and Scandinavia), male full frontals are probably more common than those of females. I'm not entirely sure, but my educated guess is that it's at least partly because "Northern" guys see male nudity as something very mundane, there's nothing erotic tied to it from their POV, so that's why if a guy suddenly takes off his clothes at a house party with no other reason than to hang out naked (drunk or perfectly sober), nobody really bats an eye at them, while if a girl did that... well, generally they don't, unless they're so drunk they have no idea where they are, with whom, and if they are naked or not.
    Even then men and women are treated differently: usually the girl would be kindly escorted into the nearest bed and covered so she could sleep it off with at least some dignity (unless it's a party of particularly dumb 14yos who might do things to her that would make a sailor wince). If a guy passes out naked in an arm chair, people draw a dick on his forehead, rub popcorn into his hair, tape his peter to his thigh etc. Or they just ignore him. I guess the double standard stands as: men = boring/silly, women = erotic/sacred.

    One thing that also might contribute to it is pissing on the streets. Being drunk excuses a lot of things around here (alas), so digging out your schlong and pissing down the stairs of a train station is a fairly normal scene. Distasteful, yes, but exposed penis? Whatever, pass the butter. Female nudity is far more revered and always causes a bigger stir: daytime TV may show full frontals of men (mostly in non-erotic scenes), but if they show a boob before 2100, all hell breaks loose and the country falls into ruin and despair.

    Hence I find it funny how taboo the cock is in some countries. It's just a piece of meat anyway (albeit usable for purposes so fun they make life worth living). So to me, seeing some hot actor guy naked is about as shocking as looking at a blank wall. I see no reason to censor that esp. if female full frontals are ok.

    Just for the sake of clarity: these are generalizations and don't represent 100% of the folks up here.
     
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    Getting back to the OP, one of the reasons why I'm not a huge fan of the TV adaptation of Game of Thrones and still haven't watched past the 1st season was the hypocriticism in nudity. Even though men were present in sex scenes, as far as I remember, there were no full frontals and no particularly explicit displays of a dude sucking off another dude, which would've made sense considering there's a gay character (but oh so abashedly the camera stayed on his face while his lover did the job). I'm guessing the director is a heterosexual guy... though am unsure if it's relevant what his orientation or sex is in this regard.

    All this talk about men being scaredy-scared of someone calling their dick too small if it appears on TV makes zero sense to me. Use a prosthetic if you must -- but seriously, if it's flaccid, it's gonna look "small", besides, in this day and age women know a man can do wonders with a smaller-than-average equipment too. Note that e.g. Scandinavian mainstream TV and cinema (and, say, French) has shown all shapes and sizes for decades, big whoop (or small). Female actresses use stand-in butts too if they feel like their own isn't shapely enough.

    All this talk about "no one really wants to see a nekkid guy" sounds dubious as well. I bet those somewhat creepy twilight moms wouldn't have minded if the 16yo eight-pack-donning werewolf ripped his shorts off as well whilst transforming.

    Which, by the way, happened quite a lot in Being Human UK. Granted, no full fronties, but more male bareness than female.

    I think a lot of this just comes down to the business being run by hetero men, and women aren't either ballsy enough or in a high position enough to treat both bodies fairly, I'm not entirely sure as I don't work in the biz. Besides, I'd imagine the target audiences for both, Broadwalk and Game of Thrones is young males, so the smaller hetero female audience better deal with all those boobs and vaginas popping up every so often. It's dealable if they serve a purpose, though, but to be honest, it's not the end of the world for me to watch a bunch of faux-lesbians do it while some wanker-y pimp is discussing business with them, I'm not a homo-phobe, so I suppose it shouldn't be a big deal for men either to watch some fellatio every now and then if it's otherwise a good show based on good novels and if the characters from said novels tend to engage in such activities.

    Anyway, as a consumer, I'm free to make a choice, and if the sexposition scenes of a certain show or movie reek of gender unequality, I'm free to change the channel -- which I've, admittedly, done a few times.


    All my female friends must be pervs...
    But yeah, I'm not sure about the 'generally', maybe there're generation differences at this point? Many women are very happy to see what kind of junk Alexander Skarskård or Michael Fassbender carry...
    Also, if you google image search some actor's name, quite often the auto fill-in suggests "Mr. Actor shirtless/naked" as the second search suggestion.

    (Sorry if this post came off a bit editorialized and aggravated; I'm in a bit of a hurry and haven't time to polish the rough edges.)
     
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    And the thread is back on track. Sensible Scandinavians, gotta' luv'um. ;)
     
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    If I remember correct the series named "OZ" does show a few pen*ses for those requesting that.


    Without having any data I still have to agree (based on my personal observations) that nude guy parts is probably less common than showing girls almost full nude. I assume that most TV-shows (networks) are in it for the money mostly, less viewers probably result in less money. Its possible that they don't add the d*cks because they loose sponsors wanting to play commercial (and associate their company with the series) if they add a bunch of d*cks bouncing around. Its also possible that they expect to loose viewers if they add nude guys. Right or wrong, I don't judge but I can see how d*ck can scare male viewers away. Imagine a bunch of guys sitting and watching this new show, do you think they would still watch after 2 minutes d*ck in screen close-ups (awkward), and if there was a lot of nude guys would a guy tell others about this new great series they see (knowing the risk they take, being teased and all)?
     
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    I second this, and add my appreciation that the tread didn't die after all.
    I agree with the 'afraid to show it' doubts. Because it stands to reason if that were an underlying factor, it wouldn't apply universally.

    Current cultural trends and the male domination of the industry seem to be the most outwardly operating factors, though considering current culture, one has to wonder what we'd see with a female dominated industry.

    As for dominated by hetero-men, that's an interesting observation. Makes me wonder if there's an analogy to sports where plenty of blacks are on the team, but very few of them are in the management. There are a lot of gays in Hollywood, but I admit I don't know how many are in directing or screen writing. The same imbalance goes for women with a few well known directors, but they are a minority.

    More than a few of my female friends must be pervs too.

    I found this glimpse of your culture is fascinating. It easily demonstrates the cultural influence.
     
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    It didn't dawn on me the comedy was directly related to the cultural absurdity.

    So maybe first we joke about it before we actually become more liberated. I appreciate your insights here.
     
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    Feminists talk about "male gaze" and I think that's what you often see when watching a movie/TV show, the image is sifted through a man's eye, the camera lens represents male gaze. Now is it a wonder then there's less male nudity or full frontals of men?

    I think you raised valid points in your post, and this in particular caught my eye. It's reversable, straight women might feel kind of awkward too, or, well, I could imagine my friends go "what is this shit? I thought Johnny Depp was supposed to be in this movie?"

    There is a women's channel in Finland, but I don't have a TV, so I don't know e.g. how they advertise on that channel.. On another channel, I remember spotting one ad in which a thirty/forty-something woman was at a café, a young man passed her by, there was a close-up of his butt, and then the woman thought something like "mm, I wish I could get a piece of that." I think it was a teleoperator ad or something. You couldn't reverse that in modern day Finland, you have to be more subtle in objectifying women. Another ad I remember had a bunch of people in a sauna and then showed them running outside and rolling around in the snow. Only the men's butts were shown -- nothing of the women.
    I think the cartoon Archer had a similar approach. You got close-ups of Archer's butt (plus he spends considerably more time naked than any female character), while the female MC's butt was shown probably once. That show was conceived by a man.

    Another thing I've noticed is that men's naked bodies are often shown in more humorous than sexy light, which I guess, is related to what T.Trian said about them
    Often when a male character is naked, he's ridiculed, not exactly lusted after.
     
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    Why does it matter who's naked body is getting shown? I mean jeez it in most TV and movies people are only like naked for a scene or two. Its not like it normally has anything to do with the plots (if ever). I honestly want to know who the person is that sits down and watches something then after its all over goes "Man....there is to much boob in some of those scenes not enough penis."

    I can understand being attracted to someone on screen most of all if their naked. Lets be honest we've all been attracted to someone on the screen. But somehow this just seems like a pointless thread because at the end of the day that's such a small part of whatever you were watching in the first place. I ain't saying small parts aren't important I'm just saying that when it comes to nude scenes they have a tendency to be meaningless as opposed to serve a purpose.

    If you want to watch more naked parts then watch a good porno. That's what I'd do.

    Or maybe I'm just not thinking about it deep enough like you folks are........but I digress.

    On a side note I think we over think things. How does a thread about the lack of man meat on TV turn into people arguing about Religion? Colorful cast a characters on this site I tell ya.
     
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    You totally don't get it. You see, the Patriarchy....
     
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    Well yeah I don't get it. Even my post sort of screams its from a guy that doesn't get what all this hub bub is about.

    I thought the thread question was

    "Why the lack penis in shows and movies?"

    And my response was

    "Meh what's the big deal? Its not like it matters that much to what you're watching at the end of the day."

    I'm not afraid to admit that I don't get it . If I got it I probably would of said something more contributing. I only spoke on what I thought we were talking about.

    Heck the only other argument I could bring up is that boobs bring in more money. I'm not completely ignorant to sexism its just not a subject I'm well versed in.

    As I said some things even when brought up I don't think to much on, such as this or maybe I'm just misinformed in this topic.

    Why not help me understand better?

    I'd be perfectly willing to listen with open ears.....well actually I suppose I'd be reading with open eyes.


    :)
     
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