1. Cheoull

    Cheoull New Member

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    HELP? Need a reason for conflict between a lot of countries at once

    Discussion in 'Setting Development' started by Cheoull, Dec 14, 2019.

    I need an excuse for this battle royale to work.

    Here's some background-- I need a reason that will fit into constraints of a world like this:

    World War III ensues, and nuclear bombings rock the world. It’s a battle on the home front, and citizens are dying by the masses while the leaders call the shots, waiting for the losses on other sides to rack up until they surrender in a grueling battle of attrition. Angered at the disregard for their lives the people rise up, capturing their leaders to make them fight in an arena upon the ruins of Britain, a war on a small scale. It would later become known as Arena 1, the first arena.

    Around the arena, a new ideology and civilization spring up, holding the belief that leaders should be those who protect their countries in exchange for their administrative power. Those affected by the destruction of WWIII jump aboard, realizing that this “organized war” would prevent the mass deaths of grand armies and helpless citizens. This is the establishment of the World Capital, the administrative power of the new age.

    Organizations of citizens agree to appoint leaders on the condition that they will fight should a war arise. Dangerous goods, such as nukes, are removed from countries and delivered to the World Capital as a means to enforce the rules of the game.

    Over time, it becomes common for leaders to send their children, as they are younger and stand a better chance in the arena while still preserving the sacrifice of those on top. The event becomes widely televised.

    I need a reason for several countries to "declare war" on eachother. Ideas?
     
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  2. Thorn Cylenchar

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    Resources- food or water shortages would lead to potential conflict over water sources of fertile land. Energy resources like oil and gas.
     
  3. AlbertAnims

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    Another good reason to have a bunch of countries fighting each other, is maybe that they all want some sort of artifact, something that will gie them tons of power, or something that will prevent the countries leaders from being overthrown, or something that will give them tons of riches.
     
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    Depending on how much the WW devastated things, it could be prewar technology. If they found an old military hospital with state of the art surgical tools and a bunker with an operating refrigerator full of various vaccines and medications, that would definitely get them fighting.
     
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    Second this, this is exactly what was coming in to say as well. The main reason countries go to war, resources. And even after a nuclear war, those resources can be very scarce
     
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    Treaties and alliances are usually what draws in countries not active in a dispute into it. Both WWI and WWI started as a cascade from a single event.

    WWI started like the collapse of a house of cards, tipped over by a single man. A lone terrorist killed the archduke, which caused Austria declares war on Serbia. Russia mobilizes to be ready to fight, so Germany attacks them. This causes France and the low countries to mobilize just in case. Germany sees this as a threat and invades Belgium. This causes England to declare war on Germany. France and England then extend their war declarations to Austria.

    The same thing happened in WWII. Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland, causing England and France to declare war on Germany. Italy then declares war on France. Japan declares war on the USA, which causes Germany to do the same...

    History is full of countries declaring war for reasons that have little to do with their actual country and more out of loyalty or rivalry with others. France had little to gain from helping the USA declare independence other than to give a middle finger to England. The system you describe is similar to feudal warfare where champions would fight to settle disputes between lords. I'm curious how such a system could be enforced, if everyone has agreed to settle their disputes this way, what's preventing one country from simply developing their own nuclear weapons and bypassing this court duel? Hitler agreed to settle disputes diplomatically too and did until his army was powerful enough to say "stop me if you can."
     
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    This sounds like it could be very interesting. It does however sound vaguely like the hunger games to me. I think if the leaders did not send their kids your story would stand out as unique to me.
     
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    Nuclear war is so horrible I honestly think it would be difficult for leaders to embark on a war that would ultimately be mutual suicide. However, I can see a small nuclear power country, or terror group, precipitating a nuclear war among the superpowers by detonating covert ship or truck bombs near simultaneously in strategic areas of each superpower, i.e., LA harbor, Shanghai and St Petersburg, during a time of extreme crisis between the superpowers. If a country believes it has been attacked by another nuclear superpower, then it will almost certainly react with nuclear retaliation, and once the other superpower sees missiles in flight, if they were hesitant to retaliate themselves, they almost certainly would.

    In the meanwhile, the agent that precipitated the slaughter will see their giant enemies destroying each other, with most of the devastation bypassing them, sitting as safe as is possible on the sidelines.

    Another scenario that has potential for going nuclear is a conventional conflict between superpowers in which one side sees a catastrophic loss of its naval or military forces in a major battle, and seeks to head that off with a tactical nuclear strike against the other's military units, i.e., a carrier battle group inside China's Nine-Dash Line that threatens to destroy a Chinese amphibious assault on Taiwan, attacked by Chinese DF-21 anti-ship ballistic missiles. Once the nuclear genie is out of the bottle, it can only grow. See Onslaught by David Poyer for that scenario, very plausibly written.
     
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    I agreed, no country will ever embark on a nuclear war. They will start a conventional war and one side will be backed into a corner and have no choice other than to use their nuclear weapons. I'd likely come from some headstrong country betting that the other side is bluffing. The US president has made it clear to Russia that we have little intention of defending our NATO allies and might feel like they can invade the Balkans with only minor resistance from the NATO allies. In such a case, congress would likely go around the president and declare war itself. A traditional war of NATO vs Russia would go very poorly for Russia and the US air force would quickly establish air dominance. With the NATO front pushing swiftly back into Russia, they know the only way to pause stop them would be with tactical nuclear weapons, and they know they'd have to hit hard. Like Lew said, once the genie is out, it's not going back, we'll likely respond with our own, maybe not against Moscow, but we'll likely need to take out their submarines and ICBM facilities by any means necessary.
     
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    Oil pipeline?
     
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    Simple: they fight over the very premise of your establishment. Some countries are anti-world Capital and push for the reestablishment of the old order. Grudges are already boiling under the surface, because some countries feel like they should have become world Capital. Some countries feel like they sacrificed more than others to the World Capitol.
     
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    One thing I've seen a lot of ancient countries fight over is simply land, and attempting to gain that land by taking over other countries. Perhaps a war could have started by an isolated population of one country trying to take over an area of a different country, without said group being involved with the rest of their home country. I.e., the war started over something that could have easily been addressed by the first country.
    Often wars also start by two or more sides simply not agreeing with one another, like political practices, or intolerance of another religion or culture.
     
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    What if country A mistreats immigrants from countries B, C, D, etc and countries B, C, and D make a promise they will protect their former citizens from mistreatment? If the mistreatment continues, then the offended countries declare war on the offending country, and the offending country has allies that also engage in that treatment of their immigrants, maybe not as publicized as country A but country A knows and can blackmail its allies to help?

    Or the idea that country X is engaging in war crimes such as Nazi Germany vs the Jews and other countries step in to stop it? Not sure that would work because the theory did not work in practice with regards to Rwanda. And, people KNEW what was happening in Rwanda. United Nations peacekeepers were on the ground but were under orders not to interfere.

    It could start from an innocent mistake that has devasting encomic consequences. Let's say that Country V ships a good that is desired by Country Z and a invasive species of beetle hitches a ride into Country Z and starts to destroy their lumber industry. Country Z traces the origin of the invasive beetle back to Country V and demands compensation. Country V says it's an "act of god", not our fault, etc and then Country Z discovers that it was done intentionally....
     
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    Well, it's not really Nation B C and D's problem what Nation A is doing to former citizens. If they feel that strong about it, they can always invite them back with incentives

    If Nations b c and d where to invade Nation a, it can make things worse for the former citizens who will be seen as spies and Invaders. Leading to some horrible atrocities

    Also on the National level, mistreatment doesn't justify War. They would have to be doing some sort of atrocity, which begs the question, why are these former citizens even in nation A if they are so unwelcome

    Edit: and I think it's fair to assume Nation a has allies, who would jump into The Fray to defend their Ally. So basically World War 3
     
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    It’s Wednesday, that could be reason enough.
     
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    A tangled web of alliances.

    Then Archie Duke shoots an ostrich because he's hungry.
     
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