How many times to you put one of your short stories through the wringer? How many drafts do you do? I can't really count the number of drafts I do because I don't save old drafts. I work within my original draft. I will scrap a whole version sometimes and start again in a blank document. But it seems like no matter what I do, it takes me going over and over a story to actually produce something I feel good about submitting. This isn't tinkering. This is necessary for my stories to stand a chance out there. I would say that I rework a story enough times that on average it probably equals about a dozen drafts. Do you guys keep count of your drafts and revision? How do you know when you've gotten your work to where you want it would be? And please don't say you rely on the opinion of others for this. I love trading stories and giving and getting feedback, but it doesn't cut down the amount of work I need to do or really tell me when a submission is actually ready for publication. I'm having a hard time calling several new stories finished. I hope I'm not developing some weird complex. That would suck. I just want to make sure I'm hitting all the right notes. How to you trust your judgement when it comes to really finishing a piece? How go you ignore that part of you that thinks you can still make it better, you just need more time? How many drafts or how long does it take you to write a good short story?