Depends on the contract. Standard procedure is they take publication rights (which are more or less part of the ownership of the idea). This means if you get your first book that is part of a planned series published and it ends up not doing well, you just won't be allowed to write another installment. Not to mention that, depending on the contract and agreements made, they could have your work adapted into a shitty movie that you have no say over or any manner of other thing. Amazon, however, does none of this. You can publish your book as an e-book and they'll never touch it further than that.
They also require you to give them absolutely no rights or control over the works you publish with them. Depends on what your priorities are at that point, I suppose. There are a lot of pros and cons to e-book vs. traditional publishing and there might be subjective opinion involved, but I believe e-books are superior and given how they've been performing: we're just going to see them grow into the future. Current traditional publishers will be changing to adapt, and part of that means giving up some of the power they have over writers. You can spin this as "But you just sell that power from traditional publishers to Amazon!" but that by itself says absolutely nothing.
I'm a bit of a WW2 buff. It was actually known, low-key, that Germany had concentration and work camps going on as early as their establishment. Conspiracy theories even suggest that the British government helped suppress news of the camps spreading in order to stop the public from supporting a war with Germany. But still, saying "hey but people didn't know this one bad thing happened until it happened" is not an argument against Amazon.
Which is why you don't sign shitty contracts. No, it means if you plan a series then they'll want first dibs on the next in the series. If the first does well, then they'll likely print the second(yay slightly easier money), but if the first does badly, then they'll likely pass and you're free to shop around the second unless you actually signed a really bad contract and gave up all the rights to everything. Yes, if you signed a contract that gave them adaptation rights, but publishing houses aren't movie studios, so less of an issue.
So you're saying everyone knows it's a bad thing already. Well, that makes my job simpler. Well, actually they do. If they didn't have publication rights of some sort then they legally couldn't sell your books.
This doesn't seem relevant to the point. Even if every single book ever published is an e-book, it's possible for them to all be traditionally published. It's about the publisher, not the format.
Last I knew, they do not. You just have to have the publication rights to your own work and that's it.
I have never once been talking about traditional publishing houses that also publish the book as an e-book, so no. I have only been talking about authors publishing themselves through e-books. And you know this.
Instead of defining words to mean what you want them to mean, I would strongly suggest that you use words the way that the rest of the world uses them. The discussion is about traditional publishing versus self publishing Equating self publishing with ebooks is just muddying the discussion. You also seem to have some trouble with the meaning of "rights", but I'm not getting into that one. I hope.
Er, no. The thread is about e-publishing your e-books. By yourself. Nope. I understand the meaning just fine.
From Amazon: 5 Grant of Rights. You grant to each Amazon party, throughout the term of this Agreement, a nonexclusive, irrevocable, right and license to distribute Digital Books, directly and through third-party distributors, in all digital formats by all digital distribution means available. This right includes, without limitation, the right to: (a) reproduce, index and store Digital Books on one or more computer facilities, and reformat, convert and encode Digital Books; (b) display, market, transmit, distribute, sell and otherwise digitally make available all or any portion of Digital Books through Amazon Properties (as defined below), for customers and prospective customers to download, access, copy and paste, print, annotate and/or view online and offline, including on portable devices; (c) permit customers to "store" Digital Books that they have purchased from us on servers ("Virtual Storage") and to access and re-download such Digital Books from Virtual Storage from time to time both during and after the term of this Agreement; (d) display and distribute (i) your trademarks and logos in the form you provide them to us or within Digital Books (with such modifications as are necessary to optimize their viewing), and (ii) portions of Digital Books, in each case solely for the purposes of marketing, soliciting and selling Digital Books and related Amazon offerings; (e) use, reproduce, adapt, modify, and distribute, as we determine appropriate, in our sole discretion, any metadata that you provide in connection with Digital Books; and (f) transmit, reproduce and otherwise use (or cause the reformatting, transmission, reproduction, and/or other use of) Digital Books as mere technological incidents to and for the limited purpose of technically enabling the foregoing (e.g., caching to enable display). In addition, you agree that we may permit our affiliates and independent contractors, and our affiliates' independent contractors, to exercise the rights that you grant to us in this Agreement. "Amazon Properties" means any web site, application or online point of presence, on any platform, that is owned or operated by or under license by Amazon or co-branded with Amazon, and any web site, application, device or online point of presence through which any Amazon Properties or products available for sale on them are syndicated, offered, merchandised, advertised or described. You grant us the rights set forth in this Section 5.5 on a worldwide basis; however, if we make available to you a procedure for indicating that you do not have worldwide distribution rights to a Digital Book, then the territory for the sale of that Digital Book will be those territories for which you indicate, through the procedure we provide to you, that you have distribution rights. There are more, too. If you ever tried publishing with Amazon you would know what rights you have to give up to your work to publish with them, but either you didn't publish with Amazon, or you clicked on the Terms and Conditions like you were trying to get another Facebook update.
No, they were public knowledge in the 1930s... you may be referring to death camps, which really weren't a thing until late 1941, but it's an important distinction. The early concentration camps (mainly for communists, dissidents, social democrats, and intelligentsia) were front page news in Germany. Hitler was removing the rabble from the streets, and it was quite popular at the time, though most of that was rabble of brown shirts creation.
Do you cut this many hairs in every argument or is this one just special? Of course I know that "Self publishing" is its own form of publishing (where you directly pay a publishing house to produce books for you). If I've used 'self publish' or 'self publishing' in my language during this conversation, than it's pretty obviously meant to imply 'publishing an e-book'. You do nothing but try arguing pointless mechanics. It's actually very exhausting.
I'm published, and I honestly wasn't sure what ya'll were talking about with "publication rights." So I googled it, and... According to Wikipedia, "publication rights" are not a thing in the US. You give Amazon distribution rights.
You might find it less exhausting to use the language as others use it. A private person publishing an ebook on Amazon is self publishing. There are also other forms of self publishing. A publishing company publishing an ebook on Amazon is traditional publishing. There are also other forms of traditional publishing. Therefore, contrasting ebooks with traditional publishing makes no sense. Unless you provide your own personal definition close to the words ("Below, I will refer to apples. By 'apples' I mean the small green objects that other people may call 'peas'.") I will continue to respond as if the words you use mean what the general population thinks they mean.
Right. I'll just disregard any/all future posts you make where you're pointlessly complaining that a word was used outside of a literal dictionary definition within a discussion. Funny enough, for all the posts and debates I've had on the internet, this is the very first time I've had someone complaining so much and trying to work so hard to make an argument of "you used a word incorrectly from its literal definition, despite giving that word clear context within the rest of your language". Maybe this means you're much more intelligent than everyone else I've ever met and you simply hold a super high respect for the English language. Or maybe it means something else. At any rate, the back and forth was fun.
Did you even read any of that? You do not give them exclusive distribution rights and you can publish your work elsewhere, lol. https://www.quora.com/If-you-publish-on-Amazon-KDP-can-you-publish-elsewhere Here's a quora with people explaining that no, Amazon does not take exclusive rights to your book. Cute attempt at snark, though. It almost worked.
I guess on this I'm not sure; it's always been my understanding that a publisher is going to want to rights to basically publish your book, so you couldn't turn around and publish it with another publisher at some other time. Have I always been wrong about this?
"Amazon doesn't demand any rights!" -list of rights Amazon demands- "But they don't demand all rights. I win! Yes, you certainly are a winner.
No, no, I'm the only one who ever, ever disagrees with him about definitions. Ever. Also, ever. You don't exist. Poof!
