Is everyone writing fantasy?

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  1. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Senior Member

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    Wait... so why exactly cant a modern fantasy be an epic fantasy?
     
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    Hmmm

    Well

    Actually......

    There are a lot others stronger then them.....like in actual Marvel canon there is like an entire complex tier of space beings below and above Galactus. They all work together though keeping the multiverse in check.

    But Galactus and SS are the first of that kind.

    Though if interested in discussing more on comics whether it be storylines or powers or anything we can do it in PM.
     
  3. Andrae Smith

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    Because "epic fantasy" generally refers to "high fantasy," which generally follows certain conventions. If you break out of those conventions to modernize things, you have more of an "urban fantasy" work. It's a categorical thing. It's definitions really.
     
  4. TheApprentice

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    What is the exact description of "high fantasy?"
     
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    not sure actually. I guess setting? but is setting really that important? think of it, if you read lord of the rings in the 15 century it would be considered modern fantasy or perhaps just fantasy. because that how things were at the time.

    or what about 500 years from now, will twighlight be then considered classic fantasy simple because of change of setting?
     
  6. TheApprentice

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    I guess setting can make all the difference, but with film, which I used to study, genre was defined by the characters and the plot.
     
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    I don't think it's quite that straightforward in film. You ask most people what genre star wars is in and they'll say scifi because of all the spaceships and planets and stuff. But you can find plenty of debate that The Force and Jedi etc are basically magic and mages. It's not very science based, so maybe star wars is fantasy set in space.
     
  8. Kersje

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    I try to reflect on the current situation (e.g. economic downturn) and think about the consequences for humanity. In my work I try to give humanity the opportunity to find a way out of the current situation.
     
  9. Lemex

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    Would alternative history class as fantasy? Because I have to develop my previous post, most fantasy I find is dreadful kitsch, but Alternative History does have some good titles within it's rather small camp. The Man in the High Castle is one, Nineteen Eighty-Four, another.
     
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    I would say alternative history is a sort of band of its own isn't it?

    Both the two books you mentioned are excellent. I also enjoyed some of the alternative history books by Robert Harris, particularly Fatherland. I haven't read them since I was about 17 so it could be a completely different experience second-time round reading those books.
     
  11. Wild Knight

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    Yeah. Fantasy is really the only genre I've ever really written... though I never did write elves or dwarves, unless it was for a game campaign. I've always had abominations who may or may not have been human once instead. I did have dragons in the novel that I have recently dropped... :(
    And no one likes dragons anymore, either...
     
  12. Renee J

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    I was going to post that I'm not writing a fantasy, but now everyone is talking about Super Heroes. I'm not writing about them, either.
     
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    I just finished publishing a fantasy novel that will probably be considered Science Fiction though there's no real science in it. But the story is in the present, past and future, and there is no magic in it, other than some absurd pseudo science, which I make no attempt to explain scientifically.

    I have read a small amount of mainstream fantasy, and when it's well written I can enjoy it. I enjoyed Roger Zelazny's Amber series and a few others. The generic fantasy novel is often based on some sort of Manichean view of reality, which turns me off. I thought Star Wars, for example, was crap as a story but worked as a movie for the special effects, humor, and action. The pseudo-philosophy behind it was moronic, from my perspective.
     
  14. Wild Knight

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    Since superheroes ARE being talked about... I had never written a superhero story, but I have been considering it, and I'm thinking shortly after I'm done with my current project.
     
  15. TheApprentice

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    I don't like super heroes. They are too moral, and is the spandex necessary?
     
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    I'd say it is. I like The Man in the High Castle as well.

    There are, however, plenty of good fantasy writers (some still alive, some not). Mervyn Peake, Angela Carter, Jorge Luis Borges, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Steven Erikson, Neil Gaiman, Gene Wolfe, Gunter Grass, T.H. White...those just come to mind off the top of my head. There are others as well.
     
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    Don't forget George Martin... I'm sure he's rolling in it, as of now.
     
  18. aClem

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    It came to my mind after my post that the old (and newer, perhaps) Twilight Zones were contemporary fantasy, in many cases. I always loved that stuff. Maybe someone is doing it now, but I am just unaware of it.
     
  19. Andrae Smith

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    *cough cough* Hater! *cough cough* :rolleyes:
     
  20. Lewdog

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    **********Spoiler*********









    Too moral? Everyone flipped out when Superman killed the villain in the latest Superman movie.
     
  21. TheApprentice

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    About damn time a super hero kills a giant douche villain and doesn't cry about it.
     
  22. Andrae Smith

    Andrae Smith Bestselling Author|Editor|Writing Coach Contributor

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    You say this as if I don't know ha ha.
     
  23. Andrae Smith

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    but... he did cry... lol!
     
  24. TheApprentice

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    Well at least he is a tiny bit less of a pansy than most superheroes, even if only a little...
     
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  25. Andrae Smith

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    I'll just give a small reminder about language. This site has members of various ages, and we lie to keep posts free from profanity as best we can.

    On a side note, it is only the interpretation of the director/writer that gave him the kill. Superman will be back to his no-killing self soon enough. It's his golden rule. Which is why some people love him and others hate him.

    EDIT: But it has been made known, no more super hero discussions here. :p
     

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