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    Britanica makes some of this more clear and adds a few additional meanings:

    1 bill /ˈbɪl/ noun
    plural bills
    Britannica Dictionary definition of BILL
    [count]
    1

    : a document that says how much money you owe for something you have bought or used
    He paid the telephone bill.
    Did our water bill arrive yet?
    I've been having a hard time paying the bills since I lost my job. [=paying what I owe for housing, heat, electricity, etc.]
    [+] more examples
    — compare bill of sale
    2

    : a written description of a new law that is being suggested and that the lawmakers of a country, state, etc., must vote to accept before it becomes law
    They will introduce an antismoking bill in Congress.
    The Senate passed/rejected the bill.
    How does a bill become a law?
    also : such a bill after it has become a law
    the GI bill
    — see also bill of rights
    3

    chiefly US : a piece of paper money
    He handed me a 5-dollar bill.
    bills and coins
    — called also (British) note
    4

    : a written or printed advertisement that is used to announce a play, movie, or concert to the public and to list the names of the performers
    Who is on the bill? [=who is performing?]
    a double bill [=a concert that has two parts] featuring two of the world's best jazz trumpeters
    The notice on the wall said “Post No Bills.” [=do not put any advertisements on the wall]
    fill the bill
    or fit the bill

    : to be exactly what is needed : to be suitable
    If you want to stay near the beach, this hotel will fit the bill.
    foot the bill
    — see 2foot
    give (someone or something) a clean bill of health

    : to officially say that someone is healthy or that something is working correctly
    The doctor gave him a clean bill of health.
    The governor gives the program a clean bill of health.
    — compare 3bill
    2 bill /ˈbɪl/ verb
    bills; billed; billing
    Britannica Dictionary definition of BILL
    [+ object]
    1

    : to send a bill to (someone or something) : to provide (a person, business, organization, etc.) with a statement that says how much money is owed for something that has been bought or used
    They billed me for the repairs they made to the roof.
    The company was billed for the deliveries.
    2

    : to describe (someone or something) as a particular thing so that people will like or want that person or thing — usually used as (be) billed
    The city is being billed [=advertised] as one of the best places to live in the state.
    She was billed as the next big movie star.
    — see also billing
    3

    : to officially say that someone is going to do something — usually used as (be) billed
    Both writers are billed to appear at the conference.
    So to simplify many of the meanings, it's essentially a piece of paper containing a list, such as in Clean bill of health or The butcher's bill. A monetary bill is just a specialized form of it, and what goes up on a billboard are very large handbills.
     
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    Found the origin of this idiom

    https://writingexplained.org/idiom-dictionary/foot-the-bill#:~:text=This%20expression%20dates%20back%20to,and%20find%20the%20total%20cost.
     
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    I'm guessing the bill of a cap is related to a bird's bill? Unless I missed it in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]

    That makes sense to me. Which amuses me when I see them worn backwards.
     
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    Zany - can be traced to zanni and its relative, the harlequin

    In the early years of the commedia (mid-16th century), the Harlequin was a zanni (a wily and covetous comic servant), and he was cowardly, superstitious, and plagued by a continual lack of money and food.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Harlequin-theatrical-character

    From etymology online:

    - comic performer, 1580s, from French zani, from Italian zani, zanni "a zany, clown," originally Zanni, Venetian dialect variant of Gianni, pet form of Giovanni "John;" thus equivalent to English Jack. A stock character in old comedies, he aped the principal actors ... zany as an adjective, from 1610

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    serendipity (n.)

    "faculty of making happy and unexpected discoveries," a rare word before 20c., coined by Horace Walpole in a letter to Horace Mann dated Jan. 28, 1754, but which apparently was not published until 1833.

    Walpole said he formed the word from the Persian fairy tale "The Three Princes of Serendip" (an English version was published in 1722) whose heroes "were always making discoveries, by accidents and sagacity, of things they were not in quest of" [Walpole].

    Serendip, (also Serendib), attested by 1708 in English, is an old name for Ceylon (modern Sri Lanka), from Arabic Sarandib, from Sanskrit Simhaladvipa "Dwelling-Place-of-Lions Island."
     
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    Where the native girls frolicked naked on the beach. Hence an unexpected stroke of good fortune. Or so the story goes, but it might be apocryphal.
     
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    Lol.

    Those girls are going to have to watch out for the lions.

     
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    Yeah, if you mean puritanical English sailor boys tempted by naked bronzed island girls. Repression + Casual Nudity = Random Hilarity/Disaster.
     
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    Presumably, this is why Arthur C. Clarke went to live there.
     
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    Naomi is a given name in both Hebrew and Japanese. In Hebrew, it is girl's name, while in Japanese, it is unisex but most often found as a girl's name.

    In Hebrew, it means "pleasantness", and in Japanese it means "straight/beautiful" - so, sort of similar in meaning.

    In British English, Naomi is pronounced "nay-OH-mi", while in Japanese, it is pronounced "nah-oh-mi" (Japanese rarely stresses syllables).

    The names are unrelated.
     
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    I can see that. I mean, I can really see that. And I can't get it out of my head. So, thank you.
     
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    lukewarm (adj.)
    "neither cold nor hot, tepid," late 14c., from warm (adj.) + luke (adj.) "tepid" (c. 1200), a word of unknown origin.

    luke as an adjective is obsolete except in lukewarm (late 14c.), from Middle English leuk "tepid" (c. 1200)
     
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    I never realized empathy was such a new word.

    empathy (n.)

    1908, modeled on German Einfühlung (from ein "in" + Fühlung "feeling"), which was coined 1858 by German philosopher Rudolf Lotze (1817-1881) as a translation of Greek empatheia "passion, state of emotion," from assimilated form of en "in" (see en- (2)) + pathos "feeling"
     
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    It probably came about with the advent of "modern" psychology.
     
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    I went back to the page, and, yep, that was it

     
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    shuck (v.)
    "to remove the shucks from," 1819, from or related to shuck (n.). Related: Shucked; shucker; shucking.

    Many extended U.S. slang senses are from the notion of "stripping" an ear of corn, or from the capers associated with husking frolics; such as "to strip (off) one's clothes" (1848) and "to deceive, swindle, cheat, fool" (1959).

    shuck (n.)
    1670s, "husk, pod, a shell," especially of a nut, a dialectal word of unknown origin.

    shucks (interj.)
    expression of indifference or rejection of some suggestion or remark, 1847, from shuck (n.) in the secondary sense "something valueless" (i.e. not worth shucks, attested in a separate source from 1847).
     
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    We call the cooks who do raw bar "shuckers." Been a while since I've had a heavy seafood restaurant, but I used to have two guys who did nothing but shuck 50 hours a week. Literally nothing else.

    ETA: Jesus, I just remembered the shuck tests we ran on oyster breeds. We're surrounded by oyster farms here, and everyone who want to sell to us. One of the requirements was the difficulty of shocking. If one of my guys couldn't clean shuck (no shaving or cracking) a dozen oysters in under 3 minutes, no dice. That's a big deal when you have a thousand a day.
     
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    Sounds almost Shakespearean.

    "Orio, news cometh that the Bishop be defrocked."
    "Nay, my lord, thou art mistaken. Not defrocked, but he be well shucked."
     
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    Reminded me of an old photo I once saw, and I found it. Young oyster shuckers, Josie, six years old, Bertha, six years old, Sophie, ten years old, Port Royal, South Carolina, 1912. Work began at 4 AM.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, that's not sanitary.
     
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    The expressions in their faces are ... old.
     
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    I've looked in many, many oysters and never noticed anything edible lurking there.
     
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    They've had an logarithmic explosion in popularity since the advent of the local farms. It was like everyone discovered they existed all at once. It went from novelty to McDonalds about 10 years.
     

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