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do you write characters that don't fit in?

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  1. James Hellfire

    James Hellfire Member

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    my characters don't drink alcohol and it's on purpose

    Discussion in 'Character Development' started by James Hellfire, Jul 17, 2021.

    I'm not most people/writers for that matter

    what makes me different from most is my main protagonists are a reflection of who I am-

    none of my characters smoke or drink or do drugs, heck, they don't eat meat, the don't have loveless/meaningless sex, they have strong spiritual beliefs, they're Queer/LGBTQ+, etc

    they're actually good people that wanna be better than they were yesterday, like me-

    I'm curious to see if there's any other outsiders out there like myself and my characters :D
     
  2. James Hellfire

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    *I write for myself and others like myself,
    the misfits, the outsiders, the rebels, the "alien"
     
  3. Cave Troll

    Cave Troll It's Coffee O'clock everywhere. Contributor

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    Kinda, I have a start to a Sci-fi novel where nobody smokes. Which is a first
    for me, considering the easy ways to spot one of my stories includes:
    Smoking
    Drinking
    Bomber Jacket/Trench Coat
    Coffee (in excess). :p

    Though I've written elements you mention through out different stories,
    but not all in the same one.
    Been trying to write different things, since I got bored writing the Grim
    Sci-fi War scene.
    Latest novel has a main character exploring her sexuality, and is dating
    a female alien. There is a part where they are gifted a huge neon orange
    flower with it's pedal tips dipped in dark chocolate. :)
    Mainly I just write whatever comes to me, and that I enjoy writing. Only
    real rule I set myself is to not be afraid of using contractions outside of
    dialogue. :p
    Overthinking isn't part of the equation, it's more about creating a fun
    read to share with others. :)

    I'm sure you'll find your audience. :)
     
  4. Selbbin

    Selbbin The Moderating Cat Staff Contributor Contest Winner 2023

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    I hate to say it but that's not different. That's actually very, very common.
     
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    I don't make all my characters like myself. You want to create a character web, so they contrast and compliment each other in interesting ways. Two of the characters in the current WIP don't do drugs or smoke and only drink occasionally, but one does all the above in excess and has an older brother who's a heroin junkie. And I'm considering having one of the more clean-cut ones start to move into that same lifestyle. Having characters that illustrate different viewpoints on an issue allows for some good scenes.
     
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  6. James Hellfire

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    My characters aren't 100% copies of me, they do have their own unique traits/etc
    I just think it's important to show people that there are people out there that don't have to conform to every stupid human thing
     
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    Is it just an aside/quirk that they don't drink/smoke/whatever, or is it a constant reminder, badge of pride, character motivator kind of thing? Big difference between the two if the story comes off as preachy.
     
  8. Friedrich Kugelschreiber

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    ok?
     
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  9. James Hellfire

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    My goal is to show members of the audience watching that "hey, look, these guys don't smoke or drink like you, nothing's wrong with you"

    People need to be reminded especially teenagers that hey, guess what, you're not like everyone else around you? You're awesome and not alone, keep being you.

    alcoholism is shoved down our throats by tv and movies,

    We need people to see that not destroying yourself is normal.
     
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    The strongest anti-drug movie ever (in my and some others' opinion) featured a decline in addiction and eventual bad ends. It is easier to learn from a character's downfall than from the lack thereof. That's the point of a tragedy.

    To me, your characters come off as author avatars / mary sues. Main issue with those is whether you will be able to handle criticisim of the characters or not.
     
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    There's a strange contrast here between saying that not being 'normal' is ok, and that not having a vice is 'normal'. Which is it?

    It seems to me you feel like an outsider because you don't drink, and are trying to establish that as ok to feel better. Which it is, not drinking is ok, and I've rarely seen it as being presented as not 'normal'. I know several friends that don't drink. Muslim's don't drink. My brother doesn't drink. Lots of characters in books either don't drink or don't mention drinking. In fact, many stories revolve around overcoming a vice and that being sober is a virtue.
     
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  12. Selbbin

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    So you can be you but others can't because you deem their choice a 'stupid human thing?'
     
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    I was going to make a comment, but I decided I had better not, because I'll get myself in trouble.
     
  14. Joe_Hall

    Joe_Hall I drink Scotch and I write things

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    Yes. Watch Train Spotting and you will never feel inclined to try drugs.
     
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    My characters don't do drugs because I don't do drugs and I don't think I could write realistically about the experience. I don't have plans of making it a big moral thing though, it's just a fact of my life and thence theirs. There are plenty of stories where drugs/alcohol/smoking just aren't a thing. Actually in movies, smoking stands out to me as something that's pretty unnecessary unless it is, if that makes sense. According to Prof. Google, only about 14 percent of American adults smoke anymore. In the past, giving someone a tobacco habit might have been a good way to round out a character, but now it feels like it's put into films (films depicting the current or future, of course) simply because the screenwriters/cinematographers learned to use lighting, puffing, and grinding out a cigarette as the way to put beats into a scene. Sheep jumping over a cancer stick that's no longer there.

    Not to say smoking should be removed from art, but it should be the answer to a question. Like Escape from LA, where Snake finding the smokes is a symbol of him being a throwback to a tougher generation, or The Fifth Element where they needed the character to have a match at the end of the movie.
     
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  16. J.T. Woody

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    Experimentation is normal. Especially as teens. Some just experiment more or less than others.
    I had my first experience getting drunk in college with teammates. It sucked. Never did it again (in college... Got drunk on new years after college and was reminded of how much it sucked and never did it again after that).
    One thing i never did was drugs, partly because i played sports and NCAA could fine you of you test positive on a pee test. Other part of me just had zero interest in it.
    My brother, on the other hand, experimented with everything.
    No one is destroying their lives.

    My characters are "normal" in the sense that they try new things. They arent a reflection of ME and MY choices, but that doesnt mean they are bad and destructive.
    Granted, i dont write about drugs in my stories, not because i have an agenda or something, but because i have no experience with it to write about it accurately. But i do have characters that have gotten drink or scenes in a bar/tavern and parties.


    Im not against reading books with characters that drink and do drugs or have premarital sex and whatever. Reading about it as a kid didnt make me suddenly want to go out and so it and it certainly didnt make me feel abnormal and out of place for not wanting to do it.
    Idk... "destroying yourself" is a big stretch in my opinion...
     
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  17. Xoic

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    An axiom of art is that to make people notice something in your piece you need to show them the opposite as well. We notice things because of contrast. Example, they say if you want a painting to look dark you need to include some light somewhere in it or that overall darkness just becomes the default and people don't notice that it's dark. In the same way that your eyes adjust when you're in a semi-dark room, people's expectations adjust to whatever is presented as normal in a movie or a story.

    So if nobody is drinking or getting high then that never becomes an issue or a theme of the story. If you want the story to be about that, or you want it to be a theme, you need to show characters who do and characters who don't.
     
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    I won't be so strict with positive, main characters. They will not take drugs, will not discriminate against others because of their gender, wealth and ethnic identity, and will never harm innocent people. But they also have their own shortcomings, such as mild drinking, gluttony and irritability. After all, the reality is too chaotic, and there are too few people who are good at self-control, but at least one should be firm and correct in important moral issues.
     
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    I don't drink (i'm about 15 years dry now)... but I've never had a problem with characters drinking, because hey its fiction... i don't generally run around saving the world either

    The wider issue here if your characters are white bread middle of the road average normal Joe and Jane... that's going to be pretty boring to read about... not every character needs to be a hedonist or a troubled loser but they do need to have something interesting about them

    The other thing is that generally there's a range of behaviours... a character who doesn't drink or have casual sex could be interesting if he's in a setting where drunkeness and casual sex are the norm (like say an 18-30s holiday in Ibiza in the 2000s)

    but if no one drinks or has casual sex,or smoke, does drugs, blasphemes etc.. unless its in a setting where that is the norm (theres not much in the 'name of the rose' for example, being set in a monastery) is just going to come off as preachy and/or boring
     
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  20. Alex Mahon

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    I don't take drugs, and that includes dope, because I've been around people who do and have seen its effects. On the other hand, I like a tipple but I've seen how messed up people can get when drunk. I know about pubs but almost nothing about the drug world, hence I don't write much about the latter. I've met great drunks and people who take dope and met horrible people who take neither.

    p.s. Your characters are not unusual if they live in communities where they think and act the same. The media does it, then is shocked when the public don't vote for who it thinks we should or give the correct anwer in a referendum. In my humble opinion, stories should reflect real life, not how we think it should be.
     
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    A lot of the time stories are an escape from real life, that's why police procedurals and thrillers bear little relation to real detective work, a lot of romances bear little if any relation to how people really conduct their love lives, and many historical novels paint a rose tinted view of history as we'd have liked it to be.

    Real life for a large chunk of the population is relatively mundane.. you get up have breakfast, go to work where nothing much worth talking about happens, then you come home see the family eat watch some tv and go to bed, rinse and repeat, lions on thursday, church on sunday... people don't want to read about that, because they experience it every day... which is why whole genres are escapistly fluffy or escapistly gritty (or escapistly fatastical for fantasy and Sci fi)
     
  22. Alex Mahon

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    Point taken. But I was taking more about the types, although when I think of it, we make our MCs more butch, handomer, prettier or sexier than normal. And/or give them some quirk to make them stand out from the herd.
     
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    And they usually don't shit much at all!
     
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    So, how realistic do you want horror to get? o_O

    Jim shivered in his boots, sweating profusely holding
    his breath. The hollow darkness filled with a thunderous
    roar from an unknown creature. Stifling a whimper, as his
    pants quickly filled with the last thing he'd eaten.
    To make matters worse is that he heard something moving
    on heavy feet in his general direction. He chose to sprint
    in the opposite direction, in a hot sweaty shitty stew and
    stench...
    :blech:
     
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    Say ten Hail Marys and report to human resources for reprogramming! :supermad::supergrin:
     
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