@KaTrian sorry your posts are huge and I'm on my phone at work so using the quote button and deleteing is a hassle so I'll just tag for now We don't really say "hit that" over here but if my brother nudged or pointed and said something like "what do you think?" If I was a bit "meh" about her then he'd follow up with "yes or no?" Sometimes you give reasons if it's not obvious as to why as yes or no.
@KatieValino : Thank you so much for your comment, and for sharing that incredible poem. @KaTrian : Yes, definitely cosmetic surgery is pretty much standard these days, in modelling industry as well as the media (film, tv, news reporting etc). In the modelling industry, it's a vehicle to total subjugation of the models. As a model, you can be told you need certain work done (nose, teeth, various adjustment to face such as scar removal etc) but haute couture fashion thrives of 'severe' and 'unique' features, as well as obvious anorexia, so you might get away without, if the photographers and designers like you the way you already are. But much more common is agencies employing foreign girls, who then come over and are given a boob and a lip job, a flat, some clothes, and then they are presented with a bill, ie. how much they 'owe' the agency. One way for you to 'work off' your debt is to 'make yourself available' for the parties attended by rich men. If you refuse, the punishment can be a terrible job (those swimsuit shoots in the snow where you end up sick as a dog afterwards) or low pay. A friend of mine ended up just running away because she could not handle prostituting herself. Obviously, she was never directly asked to sleep with anyone, just to 'make them feel relaxed and happy' but the English are great with euphemisms. Not to mention certain pervy photographers who can ruin you if you don't give them what they want. Haha, thank you, but I'm no longer as pretty as a was, being sick for a few years took its toll and I'm older now. But my hubby thinks I'm still gorgeous and that's good enough for me I was only modelling for a while, and in Australia (my sister did the same in London) and all along both of us were at university, working various jobs, so we were never hopeful for that to be our career. So we refused all 'suggestions' such as to lose ten pounds after already being heavily anorexic, to fix a barely chipped tooth, although I did do my lips but years later, when we were opening the clinic and my husband needed a guinea pig New fillers based on hyaluronic acid are cheap, and last for just a few months. They are completely harmless (because the substance is already found in the body), non-allergenic and get absorbed so you end up looking the same you did before the treatment. Collagen is the dangerous one, or silicon when injected into the lips, they are responsible for awful accidents a la Pete Burns.
@Lae Heh, that's why I very rarely post anything with my phone. Too slow, and autocowreck sometimes plays embarrassing tricks on me. @jazzabel Wow, that sounds really tough. I've heard it's a difficult career, especially 'cause there's so much competition. As for the plastic surgery/injections. I really hope our society doesn't come to the point that I'd have to botox up to keep my job. Female teachers are already complaining about harsh judgment on their appearance... @Sonne Lore Which aspects do you refer to?
@KaTrian : sometimes, you get a model who is just so hot (ie. desired by every designer that season) that she actually has excellent experience in the industry (in the beginning) but vast majority have quite a difficult path to success, and only rare few manage to get some power and control (like Tyra, Elle, Naomi, Linda etc). It's a very, very exploitative industry. As far as botox to keep your job, it's already happening all over the place. any image-related profession (barristers, politicians, tv and film people, pr people, those who work in beauty industry etc) are all expected to have 'flawless' appearance (or et least to look 'expensive') but the bottom line is, we women can ands should say NO to the coercive practices. I'm all for botox (a lot of my patients as well as my husband use it to prevent migraines and tension headaches from happening, it's actually a very common reason why people have this treatment. It's usually injected high up in the corners of the forehead, or just a bit between the eyebrows, and doesn't affect facial expression at all) and fillers and even nose jobs and the rest of it if someone wants to do it for personal reasons,(not counting body dysmorphia obviously) but if that becomes a job prerequisite, then we as women have lost the little control over our bodies that we gained in the last century.
An interesting article discussing Kim Kardashian phenomenon, and relating it with her sister Kendall who is much more universally accepted. Small excerpt:
Just wanted to add another brilliant award speech by a black actress, that talks about the same issues we've been discussing here.
Yes, racism is a terrible thing and we should work to stop it, but: "My girlfriend since Kindergarten took her little girl on her birthday to see Frozen and had a Frozen Themed Birthday party, everyone showed up except the two people she hadn’t seen since July 4th weekend-her maternal grandparents who told her they refused to partake in a party that glorified a racist’s company. Poor girl never got a birthday card, phone call, email, text or card in the mail. She thinks they hate her because she likes Disney. Sad thing? Dottie’s three years old." ~waltdisneyconfessions, tumblr. WTF? WTF? Why would you do that to your grandchild? At least send her a card! And it's a kids party! Most kids love Disney, it's just the way things are, you don't have to punish them! Being mean to a child doesn't end racism! //sits quietly and waits to be greeted with screams of "RACIST!" for being a person who doesn't think you should do that to a child. ////i know i will, but something needs to be said about this!
@Duchess-Yukine-Suoh : I think you need to separate legitimate fight against racism (or any issue that plagues society) and anecdotal stories about various idiots who hide their hostilities towards others behind political correctness. To say "Yes racism is a terrible thing and we should work to stop it, BUT" really gives off the wrong message on so many levels. It's like when a misogynyst enters a discussion about rape by saying 'I know rape is a terrible thing and we should work to stop it BUT' and proceeds to detail some story he heard somewhere about some woman falsely accusing someone of rape out of revenge.The problem with that is sidetracking of the conversation (unless of course that was your intention). Statistics show that false rape reports are very dubious and extremely rare, even more so then the effect Walt's racism had on Disney movies. However, before you know it, we are no longer discussing a serious and overwhelming number of rapes in the society, or the issue of continuing racism, instead we are focusing on an anecdote which, even if true, has very little to do with the overall state of affairs.
@jazzabel, my point was that there are better ways to stop racism than demeaning a small child. That's the wrong way to go about combatting racism. I actually wanted to see if anyone here would side with the grandparents - that they should have done that- and see what debate happened from there. Also, are you subtly calling me racist, here? Here are some better ways to combat racism : Don't discriminate against people you meet based on race. Include people of different races in your books, not as tokens, but as plot-important characters. I'll come up with more later, but I'm doing other things as I'm doing this, but chime in!
@Duchess-Yukine-Suoh : But... Who ever even mentioned that racism should be fought by disappointing a four year old? It's a straw man you are throwing around, my dear. Like I said... ps. re: Are you just trolling or are you actually being serious?
Oh, no, I was serious on that one. (I was trolling about @T.Trian, but with that I was being serious.) You know, a misogynist is to a discussion on rape as a ____ is to a discussion on race.
@Duchess-Yukine-Suoh : I never doubted that what you said was actually posted, I'm just wondering whether you meant to leave this comment on a Disney thread? I think we had a bit of an misunderstanding, nevermind
This also made me sad that there is not more outrage! Models are people too, not objects for monetary gain.
@Duchess-Yukine-Suoh : Aw, thanks , I love virtual hugs Do a research on Terry Richardson, he's a known abuser and yet, one of the most influential fashion photographers around. Lots of girls have personal testimonies of what he does. The thing is, the establishment ( and by this I mean upper echelons in every profession, including obstetrics, child care etc) has been rife with misogyny. Men, and mostly very misogynyst men, occupy vast majority (if not all) of top posts anywhere, law, psychology, medicine, fashion, media, you name it, they are there. Women can't even hope to be a part of the decision making process on the majority of social and political discourse. These men, the 'old boys club' as they are called, are holding the world hostage because they make the rules and they make them to suit themselves, with no sensitivity to reason or justice. It's just an arrogant and cruel display of power, because any abuse, including sexual, is about power. UK is currently being shaken up very deeply by evidence of pretty much loads of old BBC presenters, people in the industry as well as politicians, having basically a massive and completely protected paedophile/rapist ring. They've abused thousands of girls and boys over the years, everyone knew about it, including the police, and nothing was ever done until the chief paedo Jimmy Saville died. Only after he was dead, they dared to start prosecuting. And the first time police had solid evidence on him was in the 1950s! Women who wanted to work in British television (and music industry) had to work in these conditions, being objectified, belittled, groped and worse, for over 40 years. For the longest time, the only women they allowed into politics were crazy bitches who did what they were told (I'm afraid to say this is still happening) so we had women passing regulations in the seventies, insisting that 'there's no evidence that pedophilic relationships hurt the children in any way' and they even administered 'paedophile exchange' where paedos were allowed to legally trade the images. This is all in Britain, late 20th century. How many child stars do you know who are completely messed up? A few of them dared to speak about paedo rings in Hollywood as well. That's the power of the patriarchy, the most aggressive male impulses are given free reign , whatever they say goes and there's nothing anyone can do to challenge them (short of violence), no matter how seriously messed up things get.
Of course there are, and I don't think that anyone at all would defend these grandparents. I immediately assumed that they: - Wanted to hurt the parents of the child. - Realized that they couldn't hurt the parents directly, because the parents probably already know what idiots their parents/inlaws were. - Realized that hurting the child is a great way to hurt the parents. - Wanted to wrap that strategy in a pretense of righteousness. - And therefore pretended it was about racism. If they truly couldn't support a Disney party, they still could have made a nice phone call, invited the child and parents out on another day, sent a non-Disney gift and card, gone out of their way to make sure the child still felt loved by them. But their goal was to hurt people, so they didn't do that.
