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    Past simple vs. Past Participle

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by NewHorizon92, Nov 4, 2017.

    Can anyone distinguish when to use past simple and past participle in a sentence? I understand past participle must have an auxiliary verb to be complete, yet this is all my mind is able to grasp for some reason..
     
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    There are numerous reasons when to use one or the other, but I will give the most simple approach.

    Past simple: I ran (shows action).

    Past Participle: I was running (Sets a stage).

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    With the above ideas in mind, I use a past Participle to set the stage for the action of the sentence.

    Example: While I was running, a bear leaped out of the bushes.

    As you can see, the first half of the sentence sets the stage for action half.

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    The above is just one of many uses of past participles but it is one I recommend.
     
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    This makes a lot more sense!! As always, OJB, thank you.
     
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    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    So what you're calling the past participle I would call the past continuous (which is, of course, formed using the past participle). What are the other uses of the past participle?
     
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    OJB A Mean Old Man Contributor

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    Grammatically:
    1. They are used in Absolute phrases. (The birds singing)
    2. As Adjectives. (The Running dog, piss-covered bed)
    3. Nouns (Her singing filled the room.)

    Rhetorically.
    1. Figurative language (I feel like I am dying.)
    2. Creating doubt (It was raining. Is it still raining?)

    Much more than I am probably thinking of.

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    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    Are those mostly present participles? What's the difference between a past participle and a present participle?

    Like, I'd call "singing" a gerund, I think, in the context of example 3, but if we're looking at it as a participle, isn't it the present participle? Isn't the past participle of To Sing "sung"?

    (I don't know why I get started on this stuff. I only know enough to confuse myself! And possibly others...)
     
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    My fault, I had a brain malfunction.

    Past Participles are stilled used as adjectives.

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    I believe News question is more about when to use was/have/been + Past Participles vs. When not to.

    I use them to set a stage in the narrative before the action occurs. I am sure we've all read the advice 'Cut all the To be verbs out of your manuscript.' I can sympathize with this advice, but I feel that giving examples of when you should use 'I was running' vs 'I ran' is more helpful than giving a black and white rule. Writing is full of colorful variations, and each writer has their own conventions they use.
     
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    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    But I think the part participle of To Run is "run".

    So it'd be more of a past perfect than a past continuous, maybe? Not "I was running" but "I had run"?
     
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    I believe It really depends on what meaning you are after.

    I was running when X happened. (Means I was doing A when B happened). -I was running when I passed out.

    I had run when X happened. (Means A was finished when B happened.) -I had run 10 miles before I passed out.

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    (This is a great conversation by the way. I could talk about the subtleties of writing all night long.)
     

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