1. lustrousonion

    lustrousonion Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2014
    Messages:
    302
    Likes Received:
    132
    Location:
    Germany

    Paulo Coelho Says

    Discussion in 'Plot Development' started by lustrousonion, Feb 12, 2015.

    Paulo Coelho says, "There are only four types of stories: lovestory between 2 people, lovestory between 3 people, a struggle for power, and a journey."

    Yea or nay? Do you think most stories can be organized into one of these categories? Would you add a category?
     
  2. Chinspinner

    Chinspinner Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    Location:
    London, now Auckland
    There are certainly a limited number of basic plots. The actual number seems to vary with each person I see listing them.
     
  3. Jenurik Name

    Jenurik Name Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    24
    I say yes. But it isn't as extreme a claim as it sounds, because after all, the definitions of the last two categories are incredibly broad and ill-defined. The Will to Power can cover anything. Rebellion against the empire, struggle against nature, internal conflict, a There-Will-Be-Blood type story, etc. Journey can be physical, metaphysical, mental, can stand in for the character arc, etc.

    I think it's clear he intentionally worded it so that it's very broad.
     
  4. Gawler

    Gawler Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2014
    Messages:
    298
    Likes Received:
    155
    Location:
    Australia via Hawaii via Australia via England
    So why have a love story between 2 people and a love story between 3 people as separate categories? Just have a love story as its own category.
     
  5. thirdwind

    thirdwind Member Contest Administrator Reviewer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    7,885
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    Location:
    Boston
    Let's not forget about love squares and love pentagons.

    To answer your question, I say nay. What about something like Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury?
     
    lustrousonion likes this.
  6. Ms. DiAnonyma

    Ms. DiAnonyma Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2015
    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    26
    Yeah, lets just consolidate the romance section... there's always something(s) (if not exactly another lover) to make it a polygon, no?
    Sounds plausible to me, but perhaps "chronicle" should be added? (maybe journey explains The Sound and the Fury?... how structured does the concept "journey" have to be? Even the progress of a romance is a "journey" through hearts and experiences... For that matter, journey could potentially describe anything).
     
  7. Chinspinner

    Chinspinner Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    Location:
    London, now Auckland
    I know this describes conflict rather than plot, but conflict is essentially the core of any plot: (wo)man against man; man against himself, or; man against nature.

    Is that all of them?
     
  8. Ben414

    Ben414 Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    971
    Likes Received:
    785
    Man against God. Also, some people have been including man against technology.
     
    Chinspinner likes this.
  9. Chinspinner

    Chinspinner Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    1,023
    Location:
    London, now Auckland
    I always kind of pooled God in with nature. Technology I like though.
     
  10. lustrousonion

    lustrousonion Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2014
    Messages:
    302
    Likes Received:
    132
    Location:
    Germany
    It seems to me that Coelho means conflict when he says "struggle" here, and that while love and journey stories might contain struggles, it isn't their main function/plot driver. A part of me likes this, and a part of me rebels against it. Of course stories need conflict, one side of my brain says; but when I reflect on some of my favorite stories, they tend to be low on conflict. I like stories where events and experiences sort of fold open rather than batter you with conflict. But I also despise stories that are so low on conflict and plotting that I feel like I'm reading someone's diary. It's a tricky line.
     
  11. theoriginalmonsterman

    theoriginalmonsterman Pickle Contributor

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    896
    Likes Received:
    460
    Location:
    New England
    Well you can define almost every story as a journey, so if you can't define the story by the first 3 types it would fall under Journey unless the story was about sitting in a chair staring at a wall.
     
  12. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    23,826
    Likes Received:
    20,820
    Location:
    El Tembloroso Caribe
    I have read a few of Coelho's books and have found the man to have the most dextrous anus I have ever encountered in a human. That he should be able to speak so eloquently from it amazes.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice