I was only joking, as I imagine Lew was, too. Got carried away there. This is a serious topic, but I thought this situation came up for the screenplay a couple months ago already, not that that's an excuse -- I guess something still needs work in your story. Why does anyone expect the rapist to be logical, Ryan?
Well I thought that the rapist would want to rape in the most convenient way possible and not have to make it so difficult. Yes it's the same story, I just haven't focused as much on the specifics of the rape scene itself, until now.
Then, yeah, maybe have her say something so that the audience will know why she's doing things that way if it would not be otherwise apparent.
I'm not really familiar with f/m sex, how do you sodomize a dude without using a penis? I don't understand that idea but I'm curious to do so.
Like you said a bit earlier, it's not about what would really work - it's about what fits the audience's suspension of disbelief. If viagra won't work, make up a drug that does. There've been enough movies that use variants on truth serum to suggest there's no harm in a bit of artistic licence.
You seem pretty determined to stick to your penis pump idea, so... stick to it. But approaching a story with regard to what the reader should be thinking is kind of idealistic, when your betas and this thread are showing you what they will be thinking. And it's not so much that there's a stigma to penis pumps - I mean, compared to the stigma of rape, I don't think there's a comparison. It's that they're generally considered silly, goofy, a source of humour, etc. Also, I'm not sure you should be thinking of the rapist's motivations as seeking sexual pleasure - because, A), that's not what rape is generally considered to be about (any physical pleasure is secondary to the psychological need to dominate and cause pain and suffering and fear); and B), most women don't really get that much physical pleasure from penetration, at least not when compared to other forms of stimulation. Most women can't orgasm from penetration alone, etc. Women really aren't as phallocentric as men are, in general.
I wasn't joking about the prostate milking thing. I don't think it is a thing a guy has to be into it to work. I've heard about people that are in comas for long periods of time, or those that are brain dead, and their families or wives want to preserve a chance of having a baby with their sperm so they will have this procedure done in order to do that. Well to answer your question without getting too graphic, it would be in the same way two women have sex. (Neither of them have a penis so these use a "substitute.")
Okay thanks. I don't have to have the penis pump, I just need to find a way to write it so the readers will believe him getting an erection during the rape, since they said they had a problem with it. As for using a fake drug, I don't know if the rapist should use drugs. I want her to get away with the crime, which sets the rest of the plot in motion. So when the MC goes to report his rape to the police, she needs to turn it into his word against hers, and I don't want him to have enough evidence for her to be charged. But if she gives him drugs, that can be used as evidence, so maybe it's best she doesn't?
Having drugs in his system doesn't prove anything. If it's a "her word against his" kind of story, she could just say he took the drugs himself. The police won't be able to prove anything either way. If she sodomizes him, she could say he asked her to do it. If he has ligature marks from being tied up, she could again say he asked her to. Unless it's recorded or she tells someone she raped him, it's going to be very hard to prove she did it no matter what.
I don't know how this would be done, but if I were you, I'd use the humour. Because the truth is, something becomes that much more terrible when you know you laughed at it. Does that make sense? Give them something to laugh about, and then turn the tables around so the horror hits them in the gut - and the reader will sit there and know that they've laughed, and the shame and the horror of that will hit them, making the scene that much more effective. Reminds me of this advert I saw. There was cartoon boy being smacked around - think like Tom and Jerry style. Hilarious, exaggerated fun with funny music, stars circling the little boy's head, tongue hanging out, piano music as he rolled down the stairs. I laughed. And then the next shot showed the boy - a real, live, human boy, lying mangled at the bottom of the stairs. I'd never forget that advert. (it was trying to raise awareness on child abuse) I saw it only once - I'm not sure if maybe it got banned because it had such huge impact. But I couldn't believe I'd laughed, and the horror had stayed with me. So, as I said, no clue how you'd do this, but use your reader's laughter to your advantage. Fault in Our Stars did the same thing - it made you laugh whilst the characters talked about death, and it was that much more heartbreaking precisely because of the humour.
There was a powerful male sexual assault scene in American Horror Story - Asylum, where the priest was raped by the demon possessed nun. No need for rings or pumps, but it was obviously against his will.
Okay thanks, I will check it out. I know that drugs will not be enough proof, but it will give enough probable cause to get warrants to investigate the suspect further wouldn't? Basically I would like the police to drop the case right away, so I do not want the character to give the police any reasons to predicate the investigation further, if drugs would do that?
Quick question. This isn't the story with the cop protagonist, is it? The one where he's trying to catch a murderer?
After reading your other thread, it appears this is the same story. Your cop is chasing a rapist and ends up getting raped himself, yeah? Well you're going to hit a major speed bump right here: Unless he's surrounded by an entire squad of corrupt cops, if a police officer claims to be raped, they would investigate it no matter what. They wouldn't just drop it because of "he said, she said" or lack of proof. I don't know about Canada, but assaulting a police officer is a felony in the US. That woman would likely be arrested immediately, even without proof. Hope I'm wrong about this being the same story... Because if I'm not, that's a huge flaw that needs to be fixed.
Yeah it's the same story, I would just like to make it work, so that they let her go, cause of lack of proof. Even if she is arrested after questioning her and she is able to not incriminate herself on it, they would still have to let her go in 24 hours, unless they come up with something to charge her with, at least in Canada. So could I write it like that, where they question her on it, she lies her way out of it, and they let her go? I could have it so that the police decide to follow her around for a few weeks and then drop it, cause she is not doing anything illegal. But I do not want them to have enough legal reason to tap her phone or anything like that, if that works. However, she was not a suspect before in any crimes before, so could she get of the hook legally, by telling the police, that the cop is lying, and she is not the rapist, she is being accused of being, especially since she wasn't a suspect before, and they do not have anything else on her? I'm trying to base it on real cases, and I did some research. There have been many rape cases dropped because of lack of proof, and it's basically one words person against another, which is not enough. Could I use that same scenario here, or is it because the MC is a cop,that he gets special treatment, compared to a civilian accusing the person? If this is the problem, could I have the police chief, just saying something along the lines, of that he cannot give an officer special treatment, and he has to treat the case, with as much legal grounds as any other?
eh... coming from a criminal justice background, if a cop says someone raped him, she isn't going to get away that easy. That is at least, in fact if the cop has the balls so to speak, to come out and say that he was raped by a woman. So either way your story is kind of screwed.
How would she get away with it then? I mean there have been stories, where crooks get away with murdering police, and the police cannot get enough evidence, so since less rapists are caught compared to murderers, how can she get away with it, if erasing all the evidence, isn't good enough?
But she isn't murdering him, she is raping him, and then it becomes his word against her's, and I'm sorry to say, in the criminal justice system, whether you think it is crooked or not, a police officer's word is going to weigh more than some citizen's unless their is proof otherwise.
Okay so let's say his word weighs more. What can she do to come out on top? How much is his work going to weigh? Can the cops get warrants to tap her phone just from that or survey her for months on after?
Well, she would have to show proof of his dishonesty as a person, or she would have to show somehow it was consensual. As far as phone tapping, I don't know about Canada's laws, but in the U.S. it takes quite a bit to be able to do that, and that is usually done on a federal level.
Well in Canada, the federal police can do it with a warrant, I am just wondering if the cop's word is enough to get one.
Well if the regular police are not allowed to tap a phone, then wouldn't they have to request for the federal government's help then?
But why would the federal government take interest in the case? There are more guidelines normally to the ability to wire tap a phone. It is usually held for the most serious cases like organized crime and terrorism. I would imagine a federal official would tell the local police to just do their job and collect evidence before asking to violate someone's privacy rights.
