Tell me about your religion!

Don't worry, I generally don't get offended easily... though you could probably tell by my last two points. I just looked up gaud. Not much else to say about that.

Also, go look at my idea for what we should do regarding the color scheme of the forum in 'Suggestions/Feedback'!

But seriously... once I saw Catholicism spelled with a K, I just felt I had to say something. I go crazy with weird grammar things at times.

 

Last time i checked, i was God.
I go by the names:

Odin
Zues
Allah
Jehova
'God' (a little tacky, works well in the bedroom)
Chuck Norris

I would more than welcome you to worshiping me.

 

I know what will happen when i die.

I can either run back to my corpse or talk to the spirit healer (its not worth the armour bill imo)

 

LMAO. Hhahhaha.U play wow too?! lol. But religeon wise. I have repeated annoyingly so many times. We all find out in the end and it will probably never be what we think it to be!

 

Amen.

 

I do think that many religions have interesting ideas. I also think that many religions actually teach useful and practical things. I do think that God, the higher spirit or its equivalent does exist, but I don't believe in any particular religion. Religion is an institution at the end of the day. That's my take ...

 

I know that after reading several pages of God does not exist, you will find this funny. But the thing is - I believe, and I know why and I want you to know why. I mean not to offend you, but it's simple - there is only one truth. There is no alternative to religion - either it's there, either not. We all have our beliefs, but we all know, deep down, that there is one acrid truth. And so, for some who believe God doesn't exist, I guess I have a few words to offer. If you have some appreciative sense in you, you might like reading through this. I know, it's in perspective of Islam, but phew - I believe because I have knowledge, by Allah's grace. I'm afraid I cannot give you the direct link, since my home browser does not support this website, but here's as to how you reach there.
Go to -> Islamic Research Foundation -> Comparative Religion -> Atheism/Atheist/Something like that) and then I'm lost You may need to look into the section's sources or something to get to this article about the existence of God. Please do the hassle - you may be one step away from truth.

 

Maybe you should re-read this thread...carefully.

Not that I want to sound personal, but someone who proudly calls himself a muslim and uses a handle such as yours to ask us to be appreciative is pretty much trying patience here.

Anyway, I think this is the link you were referring to:

Comparative Religion

Right side. click on "Atheism". On new page right side again and click on "Existence Of Allah".

For those with difficulty I'll copy and paste eveything on that page:

It's all good if that is what you want. But no matter how much a religious person tries to make proofs of his religion, they will simply fall on deaf ears if that is not what others want to be indoctrinated into.

A creator of a pen/telephone/television set etc is considered to be the "creator" of such a thing because the truth is in existence of known fact. Because the same evidence is not known about what created the universe and everything in it then ends people to either BELIEF or scientific theory. And if it's left up to scientific theory then science will one day provide FACTS...NOT truth!

How many times has science refuted religion and how many times has religion then had to shift itself and re-model itself to still keep a desperate grip on people for the sake of its own continuous existence because of those scientific refutations?

 

I don't know if a few words can really offend you, but even if they haven't, sorry anyways.
It doesn't matter if you believe or not. Truth is there. It is not possible that east and the west both are on the left side. Similarly, a religion preaching worshipping stone and the other preaching worshipping a spiritual Might being cannot be the same. There has to be one wrong thing. Like it, or not.
I don't know if there's anything wrong with being yourself. I may have used the wrong word. I mean to say that instead of looking at it with intentions of anger and so forth, you should try to get the most from it. Sorry for my careless vocabulary usage.

Not even once, if you ask me. Bring forward one thing which doesn't come inline with Islam.

There are just SO many things you don't know about. You do not know, if in making this pen, you weren't at all the creator. A biochemical reaction took place and this pen was made, instead of your own laser-ray and whatever. You don't know what lies beyond Earth or even what lies beyond the cabbage leaf! How can you claim that science has proof? Do you know, for sure, that everyone and everything is just science? DO YOU? Even atheistic doctors claim that there is a 'spiritual' side to you. No scientific instrument can put it through though. It's not all science, and Islam isn't science. It's truth. And truth has always been there, and just because you think science is more important that truth doesn't mean you're correct. I mean no offense, but if you can't prove there IS God, 'scientifically' (mocking the word itself here), you can't prove there IS'NT, 'scientifically', and measuring the odds and the ends, there are more chances of there being a God, 'scientifically', so, who's being a fanatical whatsoever?
'For you is your religion and for me is my religion.'
Have a good day! (Oh thanks for posting it )

 

You're missing the whole point. Religion is arrogantly laying claim to all things as if [god] is specifically responsible for the existence of all things. You ssay science cannot disprove god. Religions people cannot prove of the existence of god either. It's about faith. One person's "truth" is another person's "lie". And there is no vacuum where these two exist.

If you're rational-minded, then yes, sure it's science.

Then those doctors are obviously spiritualists.

But religious people make the same arrogant assumption that they are correct. What's your point?

No there isn't. There are more odds to prove that there isn't a god, especially if you know why the human mind created such a concept in the first place. No animals worship such a thing as [a] god. But we are the only ones. We have a different set of intelligence where there happens to be an intellectual void.
This is the part of the brain that creates philosophical thought.
When those thoughts are contained these philosophical thoughts thus develop into a religious-way of thinking.

 

There is no proof there is no dimension besides taht of science.

Yes, but my point is that something you do not know about cannot be leveled to something you know. Everything isn't science, and even you know that.

Yes, I agree. But the reason I say God exists not because of someone's intellectual void, because our body proves it. It is proven by atheist doctors, themselves that taking Allah's name is good for your health (even people, who were non-Muslims and do not know Arabic, when trained to say this word, became healthier.). Our heartbeat produces a sound, which when investigated, is the sound 'Allah'. Islam says that man knew that God existed, and was righteous in himself. Only once incarnated into a body does he get a chance to think his own way. So, it is but natural that our psyche is tuned with the concept of God. A funnier thing, which I fail to understand why you overlook are the scientific proofs in the Qura'an. I guess you believe they are alterations or guesses, but the thing is: the Qura'an used today is the exact copy of the one compiled in the time of Hazrat Usman, which is the authenticated Qura'an. I'm not imposing my beliefs on you, because you have a free will, and my religion prevents imposing our thoughts on someone else. But I'm just quite amused. Anyways, let's just have fun while doing this! So you just believe that there is no God, right? No other 'specifications'?

 

Arg! *bangs head on table* Arg!

We. will. find. out. in. the. end. ARG! okay, that could be causing irritation to some people but oh well.

 

And the irony is that if there are any dimensions of any kind it will be science that will discover them.

The problem behind that statement is that you pre-suppose to level everything in the same was as me but you use this "Allah" rubbish.

How? Do you mean to say that the existence of our bodies and their natures is created by god? If so, this is the same absurd argument that creationists make, but they are nothing but absurdist claims. Where's the facts that our bodies prove the existence of god?

I've just said "Allah", and it did nothing good or bad for my health.
Positive reinforcement is something attributed to the sub-conscious. But you call it "god".
Call it whatever you want, the state of your own mind which is responsible for your health is the reason why you feel elevation/uplifting.
If you say "cranberry pineapples" it'll probably have the same effect.
Just like religion: it's all psychological.

Investigated by whom? How was it investigated? What type of instruments were used to investigate the sound of the heartbeat? Is there any conclusive evidence somewhere that you can re-direct me to (without it being an attempt at nothing more than muslim indoctrination)?

Now you see this is something that I like to call "misdirection through convenience". It's religious propaganda and it's the same as saying man was given free will by god. But in reality, what we know of as free will is something that we've always had so therefore there would be no proof that "god" awarded us this state of awareness; it was always there, but religions and religious indoctrination is arrogant enough to assume the authority to own the monopoly of human existence and behaviour as something from god.
Utter rubbish!

NO! Our brains are geared up to our imaginations. For you to be a member on a writing site and not get this obvious point is shameful. We create fictional worlds and stories to make sense of the reality in which we exist because there are no definite answers. And because there are no definite answers to life's most perplexing questions we can come up with as many conclusions as we can.
The Holy Bible (old or new testament) and The Qu'ran are but two examples of mythology written by humans. Written as a way to understand through mythology our everyday existence.

Read up on greek mythology and you'll understand what I mean.

That's because it doesn't contain any scientific proofs. It's a book of mythological fiction that tries to use scientific methods only when it suits itself to further its own mythological agenda.
Let me ask you something: why doesn't the Qu'ran also use scientific proofs which provide counter-arguments against the plausibility if what the Qu'ran teaches?

So?
People, that is, humans, have existed since way before the conception of both the Qu'ran and the Christian bible. And we will continue to exist long after people purge the need for religion. It really doesn't matter whether there are any alterations to any supposed holy books. We don't need religion to forge morality either.

Rubbish! Utter rubbish. If that was true then you wouldn't impose religion on children. You would allow them to make a choice for themselves when they grow up as free-thinking adults as to whether they want religion...or not. But this is not the case. And that is, by definition, abuse; abuse of a vulnerable person's mind because when young no child has the life experience to make sense of the world around them for themselves.
To do that for them when so young is blatantly wrong.

For all the wrong reasons.
Trust me, I am a lot more amused than you are because you are saying exactly the same rubbish as every other religious person who cannot form an outlook that is based on anything other than religious doctrine.
THAT is amusing.

How can I "believe" there is no god? That doesn't make sense. If I am not of any religion then the term "believing" is misleading.
I simply exist. I do not need rigid and organised religion to define for me what the meaning of my existence is. I'll define that for myself. And I'll define it by the purpose I assign to me.

"Specifications"? Do you mean the concept of god in another term/word?
Then try "supernatural boggiemen". Characters created by the human mind...NOT the other way round.

 

Atheist

 

First of all, behave yourself. Just because I haven't said anything to you doesn't mean you should.

Not necessarily. What about black magic? (I can hear you laughing, but don’t.)

And you use no Allah. Complain much?

Someone who doesn’t know what Allah is, doesn’t know Arabic, doesn’t know Islam, but repeats the word anyways, feels better. Psychological? Want to know more, I see. Vander Hoven, a psychologist from Netherlands, announced his discovery about the effect of reading the Qura’an and repeating the word ALLAH on both patients and on normal persons. The Dutch professor confirms his discovery with studies and research applied on many patients over a period of 3 years. Some of his patients were non-Muslims, others did not speak Arabic and were trained to pronounce the word 'Allah' clearly, the result was great, particularly those who suffer from dejection and tension. Al Watan, a Saudi daily reported that the psychologist was quoted to say that Muslims who can read Arabic and read the Qura'an regularly can protect themselves from psychological diseases. The psychologist explained how each letter in the word Allah (ﺍﷲ) effects the healing of psychological diseases. He pointed out in his research that pronouncing the first letter in the word Allah which is the letter A (ﺍ), released from the respiratory system , controls breathing. He added that pronouncing the velar consonant L (لل) in the Arabic way, with the tongue touching slightly the upper part of the jaw producing a short pause and then repeating the same pause constantly, relaxes the aspiration.
Also pronouncing the last letter H (ه) makes a contact between the lungs and the heart and this in turn controls the heartbeat. The psychologist is a non-Muslim. Don't tell me: it's a coincidence and a 'psychological' flaw.

You mistook my meaning. I am not emphasizing on the point that man has free will, I’m saying that it is made understood through Islamic teachings that man’s psyche and soul recognizes Allah. Prophets never brought a new concept; they always brought what had been told before.

You just said the religious slot is ‘specially’ there. So it’s not just any imagination we’re creating. Plus, are you telling me two men thousands of years apart (Jesus and Muhammad (P.B.U.H)) thought of the same stories? Until the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) claimed prophet hood, he hadn’t left Arabia except twice. Once, he was a 12-year-old with his Uncle, and the second time he was a merchant going to Syria accompanied by a widow’s slave who described his undivided attention. He was unlettered, and bible had not translated to Arabic. Funny, isn’t it? OK, they did think of the same stories, for the sake of argument. But why is it that YOU are thinking of such a funny story? Big bang theory, as said by atheists claims that micro-organisms are responsible for the reaction which resulted in the world. My question: could a bunch of amoeba, make all of this? Can a cell make a house? It can reproduce, but for that energy is needed which cannot just pop up. There was nothing before ‘Father Time’ suddenly made Earth, right? I've studied Greek mythology, jolly good. Toffee ?

What morality? Are your atheistic people happy? Someone with no shame and no self-respect (not necessarily you) isn’t better that a speck of dirt. I’ve met just so many atheists (up to a 100 and above) and they have little manners. I’m not stereo-typing, but disbelief has its scars on a psyche.

I've told you, there are no arguments without any answers. Give me a question, I'll give you an answer Insha Allah. Ho hum. No offense, but you DO make me laugh. Mythological fiction. Are you telling me that a fact which man was unable to discover for thousands of years, which was only discovered with the aid of microscopes, was vividly and accurately written in the Qura'an, and it was 'mythological fiction'? And this is just one fact of the several facts accurately in the Qura’an. Is this foolishness or what? (I'm talking about the stages of child development).

And…why are you telling me this? No one imposed religion on me, and no one should. The Qura’an says:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion.”
Fret much? Then again, wouldn’t you tell your child what you know is right? Wouldn’t you tell you child to be an atheist? I believe one should study all religions, to feel good about his own religion, and make sure that whatever he is following is correct. If it’s not correct…then he/she will realize it. But little ones are usually not capable enough to make such decisions. Islam does not ask to practice religion for children until 7, and that too very mildly. Before puberty whatever you do is not accountable so till then children have an ample time to understand religion, their own or another.

You can’t prove there is no God. Cars, buildings and computers were once imaginations. Cells were perhaps someone’s imaginations some time ago. That doesn’t mean they weren’t real, or couldn’t be real. So, you believe. Like you said, someone’s truth is someone’s lie.

I mean any other thoughts you have, related to being an atheist.

About the heart beat part, I did not study the article in depth.

Anyways, I know you won't agree. If you can be heedless enough to listen to one probability that our concept of god is mere imagination, when there are another hundred probabilities that god exists...then there is no point in continuing.
"Allah gives his light to whomever He wills."

 

I am an Anglican Christian, pure and simple. We have all fallen short of God's standard, but because Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected, we have the hope of forgiveness - we just have to trust in Jesus.

John 14:6
'"I am the way, the truth, and the life!" Jesus answered. "Without me, no one can go to the Father.["]'

 

But why men? Just wondering why 'God' or whomever is a male figure, why not a female figure.

 

*shrugs* no idea, that's just the language used

 

Or because biblical times were mainly men in charge and men being the only ones allowed to read and write so they figured- heh, why not a male God? Men RUULLLE!

 

Allah has no gender. It is the structure of Arabic language which causes it to become a male 'word'. In Arabic, a word is a female because of three elements. Sicne those elements aren't present in the word Allah, thus it is forced to become 'He'.

 

You're right. Men do rule.

Though if I were to believe in a god, I'd like for there to be some balance. Neither side has everything, even biologically we need both the sperm and egg. Perhaps a god without sex? or a sacred relationship between a god and goddess?

 

In the original language of the Bible, the word for God was a masculine word, so it's translated as 'He'. But God could equally be male or female

 

Ahh. But if we suddenly say, why Allah? will you get offended? Are God (or whomever) and Allah not the same? Why can there not be a Goddess? I personally believe in something out there but they/it/he/she has no name. I do not believe in Allah as in a whole.. being for lack of a better word. No offense, but this is simply my point of view, even though I am interested in hearing about your religeon. But to dismiss others religions in favour of your own... But anyways. I think GIRLS RUUULE!

 

Well you've obviously been misled, haven't you little girl?

Quite odd how, even though they are supposed to be without sex, both languages just seem to make them male by default? Well, I don't believe in any of it anyway -- and even if it was true, you shouldn't do those things simply because you fear going to hell. I've never liked that whole George W. Bush styled scare tactic regarding heaven and hell. Not to mention those of the institutions are treated well, even though they are human and sin just like everyone else (and to greater extents in some cases). What happened to it being about the personal relationship? That's one of the many reasons I feel it is just a social construction method -- someone wanted to explain the way the world works. If everyone's gods were so damn powerful, why would anyone need to be convinced? why wouldn't the message have been spread throughout the world by the god(s)? why would some of these religions die out?