The Bechdel test: How is it possible so many movies fail?

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  1. peachalulu

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    I'm the same. Faults aside I can still enjoy Disney and I think most parents should talk with their child about what
    they've just watched and see how they're interpreting it and if the wrong message is going in, balance it out.

    A lot of the old Disney heroines were based on bastardized fairy tales. Tweaking them to fit an audience
    has probably distorted their impact. I read Uses of Enchantment which was quite interesting. The author broke down
    what he believed was actually encouraging symbolic meaning in each fairy tale.
     
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    A lot of people are talking past each other here.
     
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    Thus "a certain amount" and "within."
     
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    Except you're buying into the whole disdain snobbery working girl vs the Mommy track stereotype. I see that myth pulled out of the air but I rarely see it in women just because they have jobs. Women who look down on stay at home moms likely also looks down on waitresses and female clerks. Just like plenty of men do. There are plenty of snobs of both genders.
     
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    whaddya mean?
     
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    I've seen quite a bit of it, in fact. For some time I dated a Women's Studies professor, and I can tell you from first hand commentary that there were professors in her department with a great deal of disdain for women who take on traditional roles. And my experience with it isn't limited to those circumstances, either. I have a friend from law school who is very much of the opinion that women taking on traditional roles is a terrible thing, and she'll go on at great length as to why. Pretending the viewpoint doesn't exist doesn't really accomplish anything, though I suppose if it makes you uncomfortable to acknowledge it, we can move on.
     
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    Yeah, you and I are done talking, permanently.
     
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    Just to clarify--and I have no idea if you're addressing that to me at all--I see nothing wrong with being a stay at home Mom. I do have a problem with the scenario where the housewife's job is to smooth the husband's every moment at home, while he has no at-home obligations at all, any time of the day or night. Now, that's *still* the decision of that man and woman, and it's really none of my business. But I can't empathize with it easily.
     
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    Why not? How do you know the man isn't doing the same thing at work for his boss? Kissing his a** and taking his sh**. Men get bitched around, too, you know.Read Down and Out of Paris and London. All those beggars on the streets are male
     
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    No, I wasn't addressing you, but I appreciate the response. There is a well-known book called The Second Shift about what you are referring to. I agree that the decision belongs to the man and woman of that household, but I think the way that decision turns out often reflects the societal assumptions about how it is supposed to be.

    EDIT: To clarify - the Second Shift deals with situations where both parties are working, but the domestic duties at night and on the weekend still fall to the female.
     
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    Do the math. Except for top execs and some intense professionals, it's an 8 hour day with vacations, weekends and sick time off. Mom works 24/7. Speaking from experience, when everyone in the house is ill, too bad for mom, she has to care for the sick family members, at least for the kids.

    The male beggars have it bad is kind of a non sequitur.
     
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    That's likely to be a long debate that will very quickly lose any writing relevance. If you're interested enough to start a thread somewhere, I'm happy to explain my point of view there.
     
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    I had one of those relationships to an extreme. He wouldn't so much as water the lawn. Needless to say it didn't work out.
     
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    And this is why I will clean up after myself and my husband will clean up after himself, and we're probably not having kids.
     
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    Wanna just PM me. I'm not here to argue. I am genuinely curious I promise.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    At the boxing club anyway (who knew so many paper-pushers lead a double-life!). The main coach is probably 50, still as lean as poles at a strip club, and probably capable of punching just about anyone's lights out.

    At some point it becomes a waiting game :D Who can stand the mess, the dust, and the dirty dishes longer, who will crack first...
     
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    You old people with your 8 hour shifts. Times have changed, though I'm not sure they were ever that good for the lower classes
     
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    Yeah right. :rolleyes:
     
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    funny you should mention that, i spar with a group of Israelis alot
     
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    8 hour days, who actually works that little? inst the norm 10+ five days a week and whatever it takes to wrap it up on saterdays
     
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    The doubting of this statement just confirms that some people on this forum form opinions from a limited perspective ((upper) middle class, white, American)
     
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    So your argument is that men mostly work 50 hour weeks makes their wives working 112 plus if there are kids being on call the other 56 (during sleep) equal?

    Besides, I don't know who you think works that much but doesn't France have a 36 hour work week or something? And I don't think Walmart and MacDonald's workers are pulling in 10 hours of overtime weekly.

    But it doesn't change the point.
     
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    And yet you find most settings involving women boring or that most interesting settings don't have women in them.
     
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    I guarantee I could win every time...good luck to whoever I marry :p
     

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