Yeah, the new games are completely different from 1 and 2. If you want something closer to the classic Fallouts, you might like Wasteland 2. As for the new Fallout games, I think New Vegas comes the closest to capturing the feel of the older games, and it was produced by some of the people that worked on the original games.
It's funny you should say that, because I didn't play Fallout 1 and 2, but I also didn't like New Vegas as much as Fallout 3. Makes me wonder what I'll think of Fallout 4.
Fallout 2 is the best in the series in my opinion. Fallout tactics had by far the best combat though. If they could remake 2 with the tactics combat, id buy that in a heartbeat. The problem i have with 3 is the same problem i have with oblivion, big world, too generic, too many of the same faces and voices, same textures. They addressed some of those issue in Skyrim but not enough in my opinion.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. You'd walk to a difference city then see the same old character with the same old voice. It kind of diluted the whole concept of diverse adventure. Even half the dungeons looked the same in Skyrim. It did get boring fast.
I'm gonna have to get a new computer soon. I already know which one I have in mind (it's one that's better than the one I'm currently typing this message on, that's for sure) but it seems as if I have to get a new one every year. A big part of what prompted to me to want to get a new one is the fact that a certain controversial shooter that I've been looking forward to for some time only runs at like one frame every fifteen minutes on my current PC. If you don't know which one I'm talking about, it's probably for the better that it stays that way.
The problem is that most modern day gamers don't know that their stuff is generic because they never played the older RPGs. You got people on this thread acting all cool: "Fallout 4 will NEVER happen," as if it's arrival would be akin to time travel or immortality or something. Geez, we just had fallout three five or six years ago plus Vegas in between. Hardly a long wait or a big deal. Now, a remake of Chrono Trigger, or Baldurs Gate 3, that's something worth getting worked up over. But kids these days wouldn't even know how to handle that.
You wont see the likes of Chrono Trigger or baldurs gate, icewin dale, secret of mana any more because they dont appeal to the wider audience. I think thats the main problem with modern stuff. I cant think of any titles in the last 10 years that havent pandered to the "capture the wider audience" mantra that seems to be going around developers. Can you imagine a developer (not indie) bringing out dungeon keeper, theme park/hospital, syndicate wars, x-com apocalypse now?
That's the problem. Look ,I tried pillars of eternity (BG spiritual successor funded by kickstarted) but there's this strong amateurish feel I just can't shake off. Small companies are going to give you the innovation but they just lack the budget to give you that oomph feeling that youl find for instance with Rockstar, that obviously has the money. Obviously, Rockstar has changed my standards BUT blackisle certaintly had better dialogue than Pillars, which makes me think it is a budget thing. There's only so much you can do with limited funds. Let's see what happens with Torment.
Yeah I never got that. It was pretty obvious that Fallout 4 would be dropping not to long after Skyrim, given the company's release cycle and plan for the series. I mean there are a lot of other games we can say will never happen. As for innovation.....hmmm I'm not sure. Its true JRPG's aren't quite as big as they used to be over here and those top down like Classic Fallout and Baldur's Gate aren't around really either (or at least not popular). That's sad but I don't think its a lack of innovation on anyone's part or that the kids of today couldn't handle it, just other stuff is out now. There is no reason to remake Chrono Trigger, its perfect as was and still is a great game. Another Chrono game would be awesome but I'm kinda glad they didn't make it into a cash cow franchise like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts. Anyway I'm pretty excited for Fallout 4 even if it does look generic, just shall be fun and hopefully it will blow us all way. But in terms of innovation No Man's Sky is looking pretty great, new Xcom is coming out, From Sofrware is producing very challenging RPGs like Dark Souls and Bloodborne, A lot of indie developers are making very narrative driven games, modern side scrollers and we've even seen the return of point and lick adventure just with Telltale. The Bioshock trilogy was great and I'm personally excited for Metal Gear 5. Rockstar is working on their game AGENT (if it ever comes out) and hopefully Red Dead Redemption 2. In fact I'll go as far to say that even Final Fantasy 15 is looking pretty sharp, a nice new spin. And I could go on and on and on listing games that I am excited for and honestly do think they are or can be be good games. Course not trying to make an argument about generic or not. I just think there is a lot of stuff to be excited about that is coming this year or next or within this gaming generation.
Sorry but in my opinion MGS was boring after sons of liberty, bioshock i found dull and predictable. I dont know about AGENT but red dead is another "meh" game for me. FF was fantastic up until 8, then it fell apart. I thought X would bring it back but everything since has been utter tripe. Dark souls, bloodborne, devil may hack-and-slash-like-a-button-mashing-idiot-whilst-flipping-through-the-air-and-shooting....they're not games to me, i need my brain engaged. My 3yr old nephew could beat those games. No mans sky could be decent-ish, new xcom needs more atmosphere, tactical stuff is great but the original series had pure atmosphere.
To each his own as I say and I will always respect a person's a opinion as they fly the flag of Captain Britain. I was just speaking of my own personal thoughts and just trying to make a case for the other side. And as long as I've been on the site there have always been people on and on about how generations before were better or how everything is generic and on the flip side there are the folks who defended it like me self just now. I'm a far to passive and middle of the road kinda dude to start getting all analytical about that but if I had to make an analytical judgement BUT I think the games of today are pretty damn awesome! The games of our childhood and even that before were to. Perhaps even better depending when you grew up. The games of then influenced the games of today. Yet ....those days are over and I find it best to enjoy the present, nostalgia is an easy thing to get caught up in (I think sometimes we forget that A LOT of crappy games came out then as they do now) and I agree with you on a sense that things can always be innovated and improved. Full on! Always have to keep the brain engaged and thinking in ANYTHING! Even if its just entertainment, keep it thinking! But me personally. I enjoy what's going on now and I find it exciting! I can't be anything else about it (the games I've played over the last years. I found them complex in story or at the very least fun nonsense) I do hope games that you enjoy make a come back though, so we can enjoy gaming this generation fully together as community. Though dont get a brotha wrong love me the classics (Chrono Trigger, Mana, Suikoden, System Shock, FF6, Thief, RE2, Diablo and so many man more) . They are still some of my favorites to this day
It's an easy mindset to assume everything after you is worse. It's also an easy mindset to assume that because assumption 1 exists, there are no significant changes that might overlap with assumption 1. Action games are better today. Look, Megaman was cool. Donkey Kong was great. They're not as awesome as GTAV or red dead redemption or metal Gear solid. Goldeneye will always live on for nolatalgia reasons, but lets not kid ourselves that better shooters don't exist. However, RPGS today suck. They've been dumbed down. Before they were for nerds (smart escapists). Today they're just for escapists. What that means is that the primary focus of modern RPGs is to immerse you in a fantasy world and make you feel like a badass. Hence the immense focus on customization of physical appearance or open world. Yet these liberties are often superficial. The customization does nothing and the open world is basically the same generic thing over and over again. We've easentilly traded quality for quantity. Notice the focus in modern RPGs to develop TEN different romances? Yep, that's pretty much a new thing. Bg2 had romances but nothing like today. It really makes you wonder who these new RPGs are for. As far as gameplay goes, new RPGs are easy. There's very little strategy involved and evrything is so equalized how you make your charcter hardly matters. This is definitely partly because many modern RPGs strive to copy MMO mechanics, which are notoriously lame. The other thing that has killed modern RPGs is multi platforming. I think this has affected action games significantly less. RPGS rely on strong interfaces, and by making these games multi platform , the interfaces have to be dumbed down.
Hmmm Another thing is perhaps there just isn't as many? If you recall back in the day you had a lot more JRPG and WRPG's being produced on main consoles. Most JRPG these days come out on the Nintendo 3DS and the ones that do come out on consoles aren't often good and tend to well be ignored by the media and public. Yet back in the day you tons and tons of quality ones coming out on the SNES, PS1 and PS2. But I do concur fully action games are better and RPG's aren't once what they were. Of course they could always make a come back to their former glory. We just wait and see and hopefully that's part of the fun (the waiting). We get some surprises in the near future in the gaming world when it comes to the genres that have fallen a little behind.
I'll jump in. >:3 I started gaming in '97, started out with Final Fantasy 7 and it rocked my world views. Now Square ENIX is all but dead to me, with the last good game IMHO being FF 10. I had hopes for kingdom hearts early on, but since they whored out the series over every device imaginable, continuously complicating the storyline and putting off KH3, I stopped caring. Someone mentioned chrono trigger not having a sequel, but that was (allegedly) chrono cross which--while I am personally a huge fan--is a successor only in name and brief flash appearances from previous protagonists/villans. I liked it for what it was, not what it was "supposed" to be. A Chrono Triger remake would be amazing, but it's shelfed along with the idea of an FF7 remake. Lazy jerks would rather port then upgrade. I dare to dream that things might've been different had Spirits Within not killed Square. Good old Square. I'm sorry ENIX bought you. Rip. I was also a big fan of the breath of Fire games, but they became so cookie cutter they lost their spark and burned out. I like how Tell Tale has brought games like Wolf Among Us and walking dead to the table, even Square has jumped on board with Life is Strange. The episodic release dates hype up anticipation, and the games they're producing are pretty wonderful. Hope to see more of their like. Anymore I'm drawn to the allure of games like Mass Effect (screw the ending), dragon age, and yes fall out. I was a huge FO3 junkie until I played New Vegas. Played it. Hated it. Let it collect dust for 8 months and played it again. And fell in love. Hard. I felt it improved FO3 in a ton of ways. More core story and main arcs, tons more side quests, more well rounded companions, bombastic DLC (Not you Honest Hearts, I'm looking at Dead Money and Old World Blues). Just overall a better game. I have high hopes for FO4, but I feel as though those hopes will be dashed on the jagged stones of corporate greed. It feels like it's a graphics race to see who can pump out the prettiest game the fastest, when these developers don't seem to recall that gamers played when there were only 8 bits of color. We played because the GAMES WERE GOOD. The story, the characters, the struggle, the worlds. When those things aligned, great games were born. And now the lines have blurred. Look at resident evil. What was once a survival horror is now an action based FPS. And it's like that across the board. They've forgotten their roots. Someone earlier said games have been "dumbed down" and to an extent I'm inclined to agree. Developers aren't breaking these walls for the sake of innovation, they're doing it for money. What happened to making great games because they wanted to, because people had a story to tell, to share, and the passion to fuel their dreams? Recently the best two games I've seen were Valiant Hearts and Two Brothers. Simple puzzle games. simple graphics. Hell, in Two Brothers no one even SPOKE. but the storytelling was remarkable, the music was genius and the settings were breath taking in their simplicity. Both had me in tears by the end. I dunno, maybe I'm just outdated and looking at the industry with rose tinted glasses, but I feel like it's lost its heart and soul to dollar signs. Okay, I'm done. Just my two cents. Don't mind me, I'm old and crazy.
I've just had a massive game clear out. I knew I had a lot of games for various consoles, but even I'm shocked by the sheer quantity. Most were easy to let go of... I've only kept the games I know have decent replay value, and honestly they are few and far between. As I'm on a really tight budget, I purchase a lot of games second hand, although I'm more than aware of the fact that buying new games this way harms smaller studios and developers, and I desist. It means I'm nearly always late to the party, but that's ok. I do buy new games, but as funding my gaming habit is an issue, I tend to pick and choose the developers that give me the biggest bang for my buck. (Quid.) I rarely download, as I'm old fashioned and like to have a hard copy, complete with manual. I'm not in a position to buy the latest gen in consoles, so the profits made from the sale of these games will get put in the console kitty. (What I really want is a high spec pc, but that's just pie in the sky at this point.) I'm curious how other members feel about buying pre-owned games, in regard to how it impacts on developers. For me, it's a necessity, and I try to be mindful, but I still can't help but feel as if I'm not doing my part.
@Spencer Rose FF7, fantastic game, 8 almost as good, 9 poor, 10 better but not quite 7 or 8. Liked the mini-games in 10 and the little things to find but they lost me with the travel part. No world map. Tell Tale did ok with the walking dead stuff but it wasn’t a "great" game for me, i liked it dont get me wrong. Mass effect i thought was fantastic, i really liked the improvements 1 through 3, i liked the characters and the plot. Then again im a big sci fi fan. RE is exactly the sort of thing im talking about, i think you hit the nail on the head there. RE 1-3 was survival horror, 4 changed all that, they lost the fear part, the atmosphere. They made the game more frantic and panicky (I think by increasing the ammo and making the “zombies” faster) rather than growing the horror slowly. I’m hoping FO4 will be good, I don’t mind the first person style but it’ll never be a successor to FO2 in my opinion. As with FO3, It’ll be a different take on the FO world.
Now that the summer is beginning to roll in, I've been tempted to play through Donkey Kong Country on the Super NES. Still one of the greatest pieces of game music ever!
I just had a nice trip down memory lane recalling Baldur's Gate after it got mentioned above. Spent countless hours enjoying that game.
I'm playing Shadowrun Dragonfall right now. The oh-so-praised baldur's gate-esque crpg. It's fun as far as gameplay goes, but the writing is crap and the characters look like something cut out of forum rpg written by a bunch of teenagers. Ironically, it helped me getting to writing my own novel. I mean, if this shitty plotline, with these shitty characters, with these shitty dialogs is considered <good> nowadays, then surely, what I'm writing is not so horrible either?
They just announced Stick of Truth 2: The Fractured But Whole at E3. Yes!! For the next week I am completing Dragon Age Inquisition so that I can make a clean start on Arkham Knight next week!
Seems we have some youngsters on the forum. I'm curious as to the playing habits of said younger folk, do you guys literally have "gaming" goals? In other news, my brother mentioned the final fantasy VII remake is confirmed, and also in the new fallout you can apparently build settlements...i had this flurry of texts during meeting.
Oh. My. God. Well I'm buying a PS4. Final fantasy 7 remake, mass effect andromeda, and fall out 4. My life is complete.
