Not that simple. Jimmy the Cook at my fraternity and his boyfriend Andre ("But tonight it's Andrea") were neon gay, with a lilt and a swing of the hips. The pianist Liberace,, and rocker Little Richard were everty bit as gay as they presented themselves, as is Richard Simmons. And there are plenty of straight "femmish" males too. You simply can't tell from the wrapper.
This is true. I myself am pretty 'guyish'. I might as well be a guy to be honest. Well in a sense that I think like a guy a lot of the time lol. And I know straight guys that are naturally a little feminine or 'metrosexual'.
I agree with Cogito - there are as many gay men who act effeminate (probably straight men too) as there are that don't. One my dearest friends is a very effeminate gay man who has been gay his entire life. We've talked about it, and he is not sure exactly where effiminate trait comes from - perhaps it is cultural? Since often in gay clubs and gay outtings (so to speak) you'll see the more flamboyant homosexuals. It is the same thing with the "butch" stereotype of lesbians. Yes, you can find them - but you can find some scary looking straight women, too. I also agree with whoever said sometimes flamboyance happens when they first come out, but then it tones down as they get older and get beyond that "adolescence" stage. It is the same thing that separates the adults from the teenagers - just watch it at the mall. Where did they get those attitudes?! Same thing our parents said when we were that age. It makes sense.
Those are good points ciavyn. I agree there are just as many masculine gay guys as effeminate ones. But the ones you always see in the spotlight seem to be the overly eccentric ones. It has become this stereotype. Or as you said - which I liked - something that has been cultured. Kind of in a sense we may pick up traits from our parents or social groups. I think some of it is just simply learned, and some is just done to fit in.
If I am right, that is the new Emo trend to drum up "despair" that they "are secretly gay and need to repress their true desires or their family will reject them" and this they play at being gay for sympathy and emotional anguish. I could be wrong if that "Play Gay", but that is the new trend going around. Anyway. The Big question is. Why is the fact that your MC is Gay even a big issue. Why kind of Gay man are they?
Wow that's really a new fad? o_o Never heard of that one before. And him being gay isn't a big deal. I mainly was just kind of thinking about this earlier and thought it'd be an interesting topic to hear peoples opinions on.
I guess I'm an easy person to talk to. I've had a number of friends admit they were gay or bi when they were still mostly in the closet. The thing is to get to know people. As you get to know them better, finding out their orientation is just one more characteristic of a friend.
Not only that, but some men pretend to be gay so that way girls can let their guard down. Thus play gay.
Exactly! I agree with you one-hundred percent there Cog. I don't think somebodies sexual orientation should influence what a person's view of them is. Just like I don't believe specific taste or style of clothing has any say in the matter. I've never had a problem with homosexuality... even when I was religious. I think everyone deserves your respect until proven unworthy of it by wronging you in some way. Even if I'm not so fond of an overly eccentric attitude I'm not going to not be friends with that person because of it.
I'm gay, which pretty much smashes everyone I tell out of the water (in real life, that is. On here, obviously, it wasn't a big deal.) And while the effeminate man trope has a few cases of Truth in Television, most of the ridiculously effeminate guys I've met, are in fact, straight (or pathetically deeply closeted). (There were too many adverbs in that sentence.) So you want to write a gay guy who doesn't seem gay? Then just write a guy. I'm just a guy. Admittedly, I don't like sports and I like acting, but that applies to quite a few straight dudes (like klutzes and nerds. Yay stereotypes!). Maybe he'll have a few more girl friends than guys; but you'd be surprised how many female friends you can get away with having without someone calling you on it. (Or maybe you wouldn't be and my town is just screwed up.) So just your average guy. He hangs out. He does stuff. He doesn't roam the streets at night in a Lurex gown and an unholy amount of makeup. So yeah. I think I just rambled. Sorry if that was unhelpful. Hurrah if it was.
I once had to work with a guy named Tony who used his gay status as license to be a right turd. If anyone called him on his obnoxious behavior, they were immediately labelled as a gay-hater.
That is what a lot of black people do too, no offense and I don't mean any harm saying this, if you say something that don't like they pull out the race car.
Hahaha, the race car! Vroom vroom! (Sorry, that was totally off topic.) Contributing to the note earlier about gawkers on this topic- perhaps we could attempt to give it a bit of dignity by moving it into the Character Development forum? It is about developing an MC after all.
Well I wouldn't say it was 'helpful' considering I didn't really need help lol. But it was a very enjoyable post! But man it must just be where I live then or something. o_o Because every gay guy I've come across - that I know of that is (lol Cog) - has been the 'obnoxious' effeminate type. I remember this guy in my History class that was pretty eccentric and he was a total ass on top of it. Kind of in a pretentious way. I think that's why I don't have a lot of respect for that type of stereotypical fad and tend to hold a high amount of respect for homosexuals that don't act that way. Though again I would never not be friends with somebody because they were effeminate. I hope that made sense, and didn't come off as rude. oO
No actually it isn't! I confused it a bit with that. I was curious what people thought about homosexual characters also, but it was more about the 'homosexual' topic in general. Not so much my character. Sorry about that!
Yeah I know very 'accusing' people as well. My ex-best friend was one of them. She was bi also which is a funny coincidence. But it wasn't about that. I generally can't stand people that make false accusations all the time.
It was my mistake. I have a problem with guys who are gay who pull that gay-hater thing out. Its stupid and immature. Grow a back bone.
Astonished is not quite accurate . . . you're OLD!!! LOL As soon as I read your list, I knew what the younguns would say. Didn't take long. (still laughing)
