I have this very loose idea for a novel. I don't plan much and I don't outline, and I don't really want to do either of those things. But I would like to write this novel. Twice now I've started too far back. Each time I got pretty far into the story, but both times it ended up not having anything to do with the novel I wanted to write. After the fact, it became quite clear that I wasn't starting the story in the right place. How do you choose where the story starts? I don't want it to keep taking me 20,000 words to realize this isn't right. I don't think it matters too much if you are a planner or a pantser. Both still have to choose where to start a story. So, how do you know where to start a story? I would love to hear from you guys on this.