The Not Happy Thread - Continued

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  1. Dogberry's Watch

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    I am rather frustrated with my boss scheduling meetings to go over a project she basically shoved me into only to have her say "it's not the vibe today" and move said meetings. We're supposed to present on Tuesday and I'm the only one who's completed the entirety of my portion of the project.
     
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    Good luck, Dogberry. You've done what you were instructed to do, so there's no way your boss can blame you. :) Just keep your cool and I'm sure you'll do fine. Crossing fingers for you.

    I'm a little frustrated with my bosses. =( I'm going on annual leave in a week, and I still have to train my replacement. We'll both be in the office on Tuesday, and she's desperate to get some hands-on experience of what I do ... and guess what?

    1. My boss schedules a 30-minute departmental meeting at 10:30am (but to be fair, he told us both that he'll put us first, and we can leave 10 minutes later)
    2. His boss schedules a one-hour meeting for me and other senior staff at 11am (so I won't be out of there until 12pm)
    3. At 2:30pm, my replacement has to go to yet another 30-minute meeting ... which is nothing more than a "meet-and-greet" with people from another department.

    <sigh>

    So when am I supposed to train my replacement ... or do any of my actual work? <shrug>
     
  3. NobodySpecial

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    Two weeks later the toe itself seems to be doing well. The toenail, however, is doomed. I’d post a photo but someone may be eating, and it’s kinda gross.
     
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  4. GrahamLewis

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    The bottle or my toe?
     
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    Another line has been crossed in the Swedish gang war. A father was biking with his son to a swimming hall when a gang of youths yelled something to them. The father went back to confront the youths and was shot dead by them.
    I've been unable to focus ever since I read the news this afternoon. I feel sick, powerless, and angry.
     
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  7. GrahamLewis

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    I feel for you. Apparently no place is safe from this madness.
     
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    We really should have more options (other than "Like", "Quote", and "Reply"), so we can react appropriately to news like this. I really don't want to "Like" this news. :(

    Please stay safe!
     
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    The worst in this is that the boy likely saw his father get shot dead. It was him who called 112 (911).
     
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    Oh, no. I think my heart just sank into my knees. I feel so bad for the boy. :( I hope the police find the teens who did this.

    Even if they do ... sigh ... there are no so-called "winners" in a story like this. Everybody loses.
     
  11. Homer Potvin

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    Oof, anyone know how to deal with an employee who's showing signs of cognitive impairment? I don't want to say the D word or the S word, so let's just call it "forgetfulness." Efforts to deal with it obliquely have failed. I've hired complimentary pieces and taken on some of the work myself. But it ain't working. And now the people who rely on her are giving me the whole, "You have to do something about this. We're having trouble operating." And others in lateral positions are starting to ask why they're being held accountable for things that she isn't, to which, I have no answer. I know I have to do what I have to, but I don't want to.
     
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    What are the labour laws like where you live? Here, there would be government-mandated procedures to handle it.
     
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    Do you have occupational health or HR...we'd have a whole department to handle it. If not i'd tend to suggest speaking to a legal advisor so you don't get your ass sued, but its pretty much a point at which you have to have to deal with it as a competency matter and just tell her straight
     
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    None of those apply in the US. In most states, we have what is known as "At Will" employment, meaning anyone can be fired at any time, for any reason, without explanation or legal recourse. In fact, the only way you can get in trouble is if you give the employee a reason for termination. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a labor court. So if you give them a reason, you have to prove it. If you just say "your services are no longer required" the door is shut.

    That's not my issue. I'm trying not to fire somebody who's earned their stripes and decades of respect. I'm trying to fix something that probably can't be at this point. And that sucks ass.
     
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    Just to be clear, Homer: I "liked" your post not because of its contents, or because (heaven forfend) I like the idea of someone getting the sack. :( Rather, you have my respect for trying to fix this situation, and trying not to fire this person. I understand the whole situation sucks.

    I hope you find a good solution -- or, at least, a solution that everyone can live with.

    Perhaps hinting at retirement? Or ... ah, hell. I don't have experience in psychology etc. to know what to suggest. Sorry.
     
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  16. big soft moose

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    over here occupational health isn't just about firing the employee its also about helping them. If you don't have that recourse pretty much your only options are to let her go, find her a different less pressured role , or find a way of helping her remember to do shit... if shes just old and confused rather than actually suffering from a condition it might be that you can help her develop coping strategies, or get her an assistant (maybe couch it as am opportunity for her to train the next generation)

    But realistically you can only do so much, and you may well reach the point where you have to bite the bullet and help her move on
     
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  17. Homer Potvin

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    The other problem is I don't have any replacements. I need 20 managers just to operate. Ideally it would be 30 but there's nothing out there. 2 years ago it was a trend but now it's a reality. We tried to hire some help in this particular restaurant. 100 applicants, called 50, 10 answered the phone, 2 showed for the interview. I've been making jokes about how the hospitality humans are immune to AI and technological advances. Therefore, we must be righteous and cool, right? Maybe not.
     
  18. GrahamLewis

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    There are no easy answers, Homer. You don't say how old she is, except for a reference to the "S" word, so there is always a chance that it is something that can be treated, like perhaps a drug addiction or some medical issue or medication issue that is leading to confusion. Or depression. Is she aware she has a problem? Does she have family support? Not that finding treatment for her is in any way your responsibility, but it might be that getting an ultimatum could be a trigger for her to get help, if meaningful help is what she needs. And you are also right, that you have do have a responsibility to the other employees that they be treated fairly.

    But I would also second that you should consult a professional in the field and get a full idea of your options.

    Good luck. Sometimes it sucks to be compassionate.
     
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    Not really happy but not really unhappy, just a long day that started rather hard. My coworker called to me while I was walking in to the office and I went over to her car and she told me to call 911, that she was having trouble breathing and then as she was telling me what was going on, she was getting really incoherent. I did call 911 and our boss, and I am rather surprised I handled it all so calmly, but I know she has anxiety problems and I figured if I'm panicking, she'll be panicking and that'll make it worse. She's home from the hospital now, but I've spent all day worried about her and I keep thinking about how glad I was I left a little earlier today.

    Also, Homer, I've always admired you for your dedication to the food business. I hope this situation is easily figured out soon in a way that helps your employee, but also eases your own mind about it all.
     
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    Dogberry!!! You're a hero. :) Give yourself a pat on the back, please. :)

    Your coworker is now released from hospital, so I assume (there's that word again) that things were ... not as serious as they might have been. But of course, you didn't know that. Who could know what the problem was? If you hadn't acted, she might easily have died. You did the right thing -- the only thing. :)

    Meanwhile, I'm ... kind of ambivalent about this news:
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/apr/15/wrong-couple-divorced-solicitor-clicks-wrong-button

    Whoopsies! :bigtongue: So now people can be divorced and not even know about it, it seems.

    This is also, um ... curious?

    Gold leather trousers and electric blue-sequined jackets. What, and nothing else? :bigtongue:

    But never mind that. That uniform she has in mind sounds ... interesting? To put it politely.
     
  21. big soft moose

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    supply and demand would suggest that more pay or better conditions are the answer… but I know it’s not that simple

    when we had a similar issue a few years back we wound up moving people up assistant managers became managers, team leaders became assistant managers, skilled ops became team leaders, ops became skilled ops, temps became ops, and then we brought in some more gibbons from the agency at the bottom where the qualification level is “ must have pulse”
     
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    I guess it depends on where you are, but managers have generally seemed the most underpaid given the amount of responsibilities they take on. The only time it's made sense to me is when they've been offered a portion of the profits.
     
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    We pay very well. It's not doctor, lawyer, or financial adviser money, but it's generally competitive across industries. As for profit sharing, there really isn't much to share. All in, you're looking at maybe 5% profit in an excellent year. But that's after all the depreciation is factored, which is a big number in the restaurant industry. And to be honest, no good company shows a profit on paper unless they want to pay more taxes.

    Bonus structure would be a great incentive, but that doesn't work too well in a family business like the one I run. There's, uh, too many people who would rather keep the money for themselves.

    Yeah, tried that. No dice. Nobody wants to move up. Servers and bartenders can easy make six figures a year in take-home cash. Trying to get them to work more hours for less money is, well, as stupid as it sounds.

    We used to have a steady pool of labor for draw from. Didn't matter where you went in the US... there was an obligatory pre-package of restaurant veterans sitting there for the taking. COVID killed that. Not the jobs themselves, but every other industry got hit so hard they were willing to hire anybody. Suddenly all the restaurant people who had been pining for a "real" job their who lives but didn't have the qualifications were scooped up by the normal businesses. I can't blame them. Who wants to work in a restaurant for the rest of their lives? If I hadn't risen to the above-store "executive" level, I'd be long gone too.
     
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    Found out last week that my brother got married months ago. He didn't tell anyone. The plan was, apparently, to spring it on me during dinner with my dad but he couldn't even make it to that. Tbh, I was more mad then sad. I wouldn't call my brother and I close but he's my brother. You're supposed to tell your family about this kind of thing, even if you don't intend on inviting that family member to the wedding, you should still tell them. My dad did the same thing. He got married and didn't tell me. I just don't get what's going on in their heads. They didn't have to invite me but they could've thrown me a quick text just so I wasn't blindsided the next time they saw me.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that, Starcatcher. :( I agree, family should be closer than that.

    *offers Starcatcher a hug* :friend:
     
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