The not happy thread

I can't speak for Wreybies (haven't mastered telepathy yet, sadly) but I can speak for myself. I was picked on for a very long time in school, basically from kindergarten until my junior year of high school. The thought became ingrained in me after a while that the only way to win was to perceive the bastards that would verbally and physically assault me as mindless pieces of ****. I was determined to not be a victim and I would fight back with words and my fists if need be. If I had to, I would've beaten every one of them into a quivering, sobbing pulp. That is what they did to me and that is what I did to them.

Obviously, it isn't "right" but it is what I did. I was suspended from school three times and got innumerable detentions. The point isn't to show that I'm a bad boy (I'm not) but to show that when confronted by people they perceive as enemies, no one wants to become a victim and so become the victor instead.

 

I'm unhappy because I think that people should shut their mouths about things they know nothing about. Someone tries to express their feelings about fear over someone they care about and they make it into an all out arguement instead of being kind and caring to someone who is apparently suffering and just asking for a little bit of understanding.

I'm unhappy that people lack compassion and caring about others than themselves and can only focus on justifying whether they think that person's feelings should or shouldn't be happening. We are all human and sometimes have fears and feelings that we can't control. Espeically when life throws something at us that is unfair and unjustified.

I'm unhappy because people are ignorant and rude.

 

There has to be a chain of criminal responsiblity from the bottom to the top, otherwise it makes a complete mockery of morality. How would it be fair to criminalise the dealer and not the user? It would mean as soon as the drugs changes hands from dealer to user the criminal responsiblity abruptly stops. That just seems illogical to me. As I say, no user, no dealer.

 

I'm unhappy that you don't realize that was ignorant and rude.

 

To a certain point, yes. However, there comes a point where addicts cannot physically control their addiction. Drug dealers may not be able to make as much money doing something besides drug dealing but there is no physical compulsion to deal drugs. There is a physical compulsion to consume drugs if one is an addict. That is my line of thinking, of course. I am neither a lawyer nor even a law student however.

 

I'm unhappy that you can't realize how ignorant and rude you were to start all this.

 

This has turned a bit silly now.

Nonnie was making a sort of universal point about the equal value of human life. She shouldn't need to apologise for having that sort of opinion.

Wreybies is justified in having concerns about his husband. His backlash against the people posing a risk to his husband is probably justified. He posted on an emotive topic and it runs the risk of attracting emotive answers. I'm sorry he's worried about his husband.

Can this end now without more dramatics?

 

I support everyone's right to feel the way they do. I know many people will strongly disagree with my views expressed here.

I understand Wreybie's concerns and fears, and I sympathize with him. People would be surprised at some of the stories I could tell, and the experiences I have had.

My inner sense of the importance of all people, though, drives me to a more altruistic view of the entire circumstance, and a desire for systematic change toward improvement. Even if my ideas would not work, I hope that someone's will. I know anger and/or violence toward a segment of the population that we deem "the enemy" is not the answer.

Charlie

 

Becca and Nonnie,

I'm not a mod. However, both of you are intelligent and obviously caring human beings. If you would be so kind, please just take a few seconds to cool down before letting this thread tread further along this dangerous path. Perhaps continue this in private messages?

I don't mean to be condescending however I would hate to see this thread closed and/or either of you be reprimanded.

 

Lol, it wasn't a legal point I was making.

I agree with everything that you say.

 

I didn't start anything, I wished him and his husband safety. All I said is that it doesnt help to disregard human life because your afraid. Now you can go be unhelpful somewhere else.

Agreed. Sorry if I somehow offended people with empathy.

 

Ah, my apologies. I get into one of my modes and I tend not to stop talking.

 

I'm going to say something that may surprise some, in these circumstances:

I'm happy that this is a world where people can have a variety of opinions.

Some of the closest people to me, disagree with me very strongly on a variety of issues. I think variety of viewpoints... even conflict... makes the world go 'round. It can even be a good thing as long as it's not allowed to degrade and it sticks to the issues instead of the personalities.

It even makes us better writers. Where would writing be, if every character in our stories agreed on everything?

Sorry to digress into happiness in the "not happy" thread.

When all's said and done, I think we can all agree on some basic things:

* We all agree that we want Wreybies and his loved ones (and everyone else here) to be safe, secure, healthy, unharmed and to live in relative peace.

* We all agree that we'd like to see a better world where we can all feel a little safer, a little more secure.

Aren't those more important than the things we disagree on?

Charlie

 

How dare you! :3

 

You're a good guy. Happiness is good, Lord knows most people never get enough. Worst addiction in the world, happiness.

 

Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself.

I think promoting censorship of someone's views just because they're not what we want to hear is terrible. I personally think Nonnie's intentions were noble. Any well adjusted person should either accept them or at least challenge her views in a constructive way.

 

Damn, I was tipped off about this thread, but by the time I'd caught up with the arguments, peace has broken out.

Well done, folks. I'll get back to watching TV now!

 

Ok, everyone.

This train of conversation is not productive for anyone. Nonnie and I have made amends. So please everyone else in all camps and parties, chillax.

 

Brown has stepped down I heard. Is a Conservative/Liberal Democrat deal even more likely now? I still don't think so. Too many disagreements between the two.

To my limited overseas understanding, if the LDs and Labours team up, they'll still need some smaller parties to give them a majority; however if the LDs and Cons (insert "con artist"-esque remark here) team up they'll have enough for a majority.

This is fascinating, I admit. Very enlightening to see how politics works in the UK. It's a pretty cool system, and I already know I don't agree with the Conservatives.

If I am wrong, please feel free to enlighten me; I know many members here have a much more acute understanding than I do, and I'm trying to walk on eggshells. I don't want to offend anybody.

 

This isn't really the place for the detailed political discussion (and ensuing arguments) that would be required to explain the current British political situation, Gigi. My blogs explain some of it, and hopefully some of the comments will as well. Also, Gallowglass' blog will give you an alternative perspective to my, admittedly unbiased, viewpoint.

 

Thanks Banzai. I appreciate it!

Meanwhile, I am going to write a letter of complaint to the Oreo factory. Every time I twist my Oreos apart and try to eat the cream the halves crumble. What the hell?! Oreos aren't as strong as they used to be.

*sits in pouty rage*

 

I've just started off a hugely stressful/busy week where everything decided to start all at the same time and it all culminates in my huge AP test thursday which means all of the time leading up until that is going to be some serious studying (and very little forum-ing though theoretically afterwards I have even more time than before)

and to top it all off I've been feeling sick today....hopefully it goes away before thursday or I'm literally screwed

 

I noticed that just this week. The cookie bits keep breaking. Then again, if all I have to post on the not happy thread is that my cookies break, I'm pretty well off.

 

Twin!!!!!

I'm so sorry, hun--believe me, I've had weeks like that. I usually coped with the stress by writing down a big to-do list and putting all my duties/chores/whatever in order, and then crossing them off when they were all done. If that helps.....

And remember that I'm just a message away. *MAJOR huggles*

Good luck, and I know you'll get through this!!!!

That's true, I am pretty well off, and I'm grateful. I hope everybody's problems find some sort of resolution, because I truly don't want any of you to be unhappy in any way--if I could take everyone's unhappiness, I would!

 

Wrey, I'm sorry William is stuck in such a dangerous situation at work. It's nowhere near the same thing, but my husband works in a risky profession, so I know what it's like to worry when he goes to work, and it's not a whole lot of fun. I hope things get safer quickly!

*hugs*

Don't beat yourself up over choosing the wrong path...just enjoy life as you try to discover the right path!

Awwww...I hope you start feeling better soon! And that you get everything done and do well on your test!

I'm sorry, I know this made it into the unhappy thread because it made you unhappy, but picturing you writing a letter of complaint to the Oreo factory made me giggle.