Novel Titles

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  1. Cave Troll

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    I like your style (read your 2000 word Rampage). I think what really pisses me off about series writers is they don't really care about their fan base enough to offer closure when they end a series for some random reason other than giving an official ending.

    (Hypothetically)Think about it this way you make it big because a ton of people enjoy your content, and therefore have invested in your particular fictional construct. You live lavishly as a result of your series success for a few years, until for what ever reason you dump the series your fans loved. They are probably going to be highly critical of your next book/series due to your inability to show that you do care about the hundreds, thousands, millions of your loyal supporters that you owe an excess of your success too. What do you do?

    Guess it comes down to an ethical/moral challenge for me. I know I would feel guilty for not even trying to at least show my supporters that they mean something more to me than just a 'big wig' lifestyle. I would try to at least get them the closure they deserve when their series just ends with no real conclusion. Perhaps I have been spending to much time enjoying content made by those who appreciate the fact that with out their fan base they would not be anything.

    Just something to consider. :superthink:
     
  2. GuardianWynn

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    Ah. Cerra's rampage. Elizabeth was in that story lol. Actually Cerra is the mother of the second main story character ;) TRIVIA :D lol

    I am not sure I fully get the question. I mean if I am that sucessful I told you. I want to name a successor. :) But assuming I was done and I couldn't name a successor and fans were angry? Well I can't please everyone. I would still if I decided to end try and end on a high note not just for the fans but for me. Like a 5-star chief. I want the meal to be perfect not just so the people enjoy but because I want to make the best meal I can. And logically a chief can't listen to everyone when making a stew. Because the different people would make different suggestions. So I would accept that.

    Does that anwser your question? If not please explain it again. :)

    It isn't bad to value someone that values you. If you had-- going with the food anaology-- two 5-star chiefs and one loved the idea of good food and one loved the idea of good food AND a happy customer. Well Is it surprising to think that chief might make the food better? So I don't get exactly what the third question is getting at.
     
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    I concede and now safe wording out: Rumpleforeskin! Damn it, Rumpleforeskin. :unsure:
     
  4. GuardianWynn

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    Ah. I feel bad if I didn't answer your questions. :cry:

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  5. Tenderiser

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    I actively avoid reading books if I know they're part of a series or trilogy. I find nearly all series get weaker and weaker as they go on and I just end up disappointed and wishing I'd only read the first one. But when I know there are more I HAVE to know how the story ends...
     
  6. Cave Troll

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    @GuardianWynn Don't be sad. :) Will get back to you when I can come up with a better way of explaining my thoughts on the subject. Sorry it was a tad complicated. :D

    @Tenderiser I would like to agree/disagree with you. That and at times I have unknowingly read middle or end of a trilogy, without knowing that it was part of a trilogy until the end of the book. As for my agreement/disagreement. I think it depends on what I am reading and how it is written that would merit me either: seeing it to conclusion, or dumping it on the shelf leaving the rest of the sequels to oblivion. Guess the bottom line is consistency and retaining characters and narrative.
     
  7. DeathandGrim

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    I'm in a contest with a friend to create a Manga, something I've never done and probably won't do well. And I have finally gotten down an idea for a story I want to do. It's about A Blood Lord named Vayne, who was killed in a duel with a demon named Drakkon, and is mysteriously resurrected 50 years later to find the kingdom he once ruled divided, ravaged, and ruled by a dictatorial Drakkon. He works from the bottom rungs of society to recruit enough to his cause to take down Drakkon by reclaiming territories that were once prosperous.

    I've been trying to toss around names for the series but so far nothing is really sticking. So far I've thought of:

    • Vayne
    • Vain
    • Empire of Blood
    • Dead Era
    But none of them quite hit the mark I'm going for. Help me please? Ask me some questions and help me nail down a solid title if possible.
     
  8. Acanthophis

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    So I've got this huge project due on Wednesday, and I decided to write a short story about mental disorders (depression and anxiety as the focal points), but I can't for the life of me get a title.

    Some information:
    - It's written in first person
    - Name, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, etc. is never brought up
    - Takes place over a work week, with the character narrating their thoughts throughout the day
    - Hope is a huge theme; the first and last words being 'Hope'
    - Cynical and apocalyptic undertones (nothing gets better, what's the point, etc.)
    - Consciously aware that their anxiety is wrong, but falling victim to it regardless
    - Anxiety and depression are almost anthropomorphized
    - Comparing life to others
    - It's supposed to be a 'message' - showing the readers how depression and anxiety work, that people aren't always crying in bed or curled up in the fetal position like the media portrays them; daily functioning

    If I think of any more information, I'll add it. I've been trying to think of a title for a while now. The story is done, edited, and ready to be submitted - but this damn title is holding me back. I'm really not looking for anything fancy, although I'd definitely prefer something with ambiguity, double/hidden meaning, or deceptive. Even if you think of just one word, it could be helpful!

    Thanks for any help you guys can offer!
     
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  10. KhalieLa

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    In my experience the title doesn't matter because my editor always changes it anyway.
    I titled my last article "Feeling the Bern" just to see if my editor even bothers reading the title. Turns out he does!
     
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    @KhalieLa Sadly, I do not have that option. The project is for a professor, and it takes the place of the usual research paper. Research was done, of course, over a twelve week period, but the professor wants something unique. It's being marked with the same scrutiny (minus some aspects due to the creative nature), so my title, as with any research paper, must address the contents to be read. If it were a regular paper I would just call it "Depression and anxiety: a look into the life of university students", or something along those lines. The title has to match the creativity of the story; which is why I find this so difficult. I want to capture the concept while avoiding a generic title. I'm never good with character or title names in general, but when I'm being graded on them, it's pretty daunting.
     
  12. Shadowfax

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    Thought for the Weak
     
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  13. KhalieLa

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    Without actually reading it, it would be hard to title.

    Maybe, Downfall of Hope, and then a semicolon and something descriptive about the work. Academic writing loves semicolons in the titles.
     
  14. BrianIff

    BrianIff I'm so piano, a bad punctuator. Contributor

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    Too unambiguous. People with depression despise not having their illness seen as real, having their fortitude judged.
     
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    Hope Lasting
    Endure This, It Won't Last Long
    Perseverance Is Key
    Words That Strike Motivation Into You
     
  16. oTTo

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    I don't despise my depression not being seen as real. It don't care if others judge me or not. It is my suffering to endure. To me, the world I see is in my mind and the depression I feel will manifest into my reality if I cannot control it. Through meditation and self control I try to alleviate my depression before it grows into anxiety. And visa versa. Others judgment of my actions while I am depressed weigh little on my mind and soul, they are more of reality manifesting my own thoughts or other subversive thought area of my mind.

    Just wanted to chime on that. (Diagnosed with depression and anxiety, while active duty military, 2007)
     
  17. BrianIff

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    You're right. 'Despise' wouldn't really capture the experience of 100% of people with depression. It is unquestionable, though, that depression is real, and not a matter of "pulling yourself together" or a general inability to deal with life.
     
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    This is all good, I feel like we're nearing the "ahah!" moment.
     
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    So, I've been going back and forth on a title for some time with my near future novel about reporters covering the election of a Pope, and for reasons internal to the story I really wanted the title to be a Bruce Springsteen lyric. I was thinking "Runaway American Dream" but that's already taken for a non-fiction boom about Springsteen. So now I'm thinking about...

    "Mansions of Glory and Suicide Machines"

    That's also a Born to Run reference and it gives me a bit of a religious note...but my suicide machine is a dysfunctional TV network rather than an actual machine, which with speculative fiction might be a problem. That and it's a bit long (but not longer than "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"). Thoughts?
     
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    It's better not to use song lyrics, bits of poetry or anything else still under copyright.

    If you want a title that quotes someone, look at Shakespeare. He won't complain.

    But it's even better to be original. And it's a good creative exercise, too.
     
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    There's a reason it's lyrics. I'm not being uncreative. Pop culture and the impact of music on society is a major plot point. Copyright is a concern I'll deal with later but I'm doing it on purpose.
     
  22. AASmith

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    Its hard to say without knowing the full synopsis of your book. Mansion of Glory might work, Glory being a word used in religion a lot and Mansion can refer to the Vatican
     
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    It is longer. Yours has eleven syllables. "Do Androids Dream..."only has nine.
     
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    Hi,

    It's off track and it may have been used, but you know when they elect a pope the Vatican gives updates via a chimney and the colour of the smoke that issues. Black smoke - no pope. White smoke - pope.

    So have you considered "Holy Smoke"?

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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  25. CGB

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    I don't like it at all

    If I was browsing amazon and saw a book with that title, I wouldn't think it was a novel (I'd assume it was like miscategorized) or more likely I would just think it was probably a goofy story.
    I can't really explain why in detail, but you wanted an opinion, so there's mine.
     
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