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  1. Cogito

    Cogito Former Mod, Retired Supporter Contributor

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    Someone with over fifty guns is a collector. What is wrong with that? Each undoubtedly has it own virtues and shortcomings, a unique aesthetic. There may be a particular elegance to the ejector mechanism, another may have an imaginative recoil absorption design.
     
  2. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    While that is true, I find it unnerving how within the past few months he's posted on Facebook around 100 of himself handling these guns. I don't know why, but it's making me feel ... uneasy.
     
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    I’m sure he has them for purely ecstatic reasons and historic value, not the hole they make in watermelons and letter boxes.
     
  4. Kaymindless

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    Really, I'm with Link, I thought they were strictly blocked. Huh. Learn new things every day. It makes sense now that I think about it though.

    Also, no, not silly. I'm slightly terrified of the friend who has a collection of guns and makes his own bullets.
     
  5. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    Yip. Guns are legal here in the UK, they are just restricted. British nationals are allowed access, so long as they can prove they are fit to use them, to various types of shotguns, 'black power' weapons (things like Muskets) and .22 rifles. We where allowed to own handguns also, until an act of Parliament in 1998. I forget it's name at the moment, but it was something like the 'Firearm Distribution act of 1998', and in 2007 the 'Offensive Weapons act' was passed meaning all Airsoft guns had to be clearly and readily marked as replicas. Owning a gun myself I have to know this stuff.

    They are legal, but restricted. That's the way I think it should be.
     
  6. art

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    The mighty psychologist, Erich Fromm, suggests an excessive fondness for objects might indicate necrophiliac tendencies. Lord only knows where this leaves the zealous collector of killing machines. A bad case of Necrophilia perhaps?
     
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    ^Discussed in the Anatomy of Human Destructiveness, if you're interested.
     
  8. Link the Writer

    Link the Writer Flipping Out For A Good Story. Contributor

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    Er...

    Necrophiliac means you have an unusual obsession with corpses.
     
  9. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    That does make sense, it makes more sense the more I think about it. I'll try to find this study and read it for myself. It's intrigued me.


    It does. You must understand that in Psychology when people make statements like this it's never a conscious thing, it's going on in the unconscious without the consciousness even being aware of it. You know of the famous Oedipus Complex, right?
     
  10. Link the Writer

    Link the Writer Flipping Out For A Good Story. Contributor

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    @ Lemmy- I've heard of it, yes. Psycology is a tricky thing for me, to be honest.
     
  11. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    Don't worry, I completely understand. I could have done it as a degree but I think you can guess why I didn't.

    I mean, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but ... you know.
     
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    I think psychologists are actually receiving subliminal messages to make statements about people receiving subliminal messages and being embodied in the unconscious. They're not even aware of why they're saying why you're not aware of the things you do.

    I have heard of the Oedipus complex... it comes from the Greek play Oedipus Tyrannus (alternately Oedipus Rex, but whereas "tyrannus" is Greek, "rex" is Latin), in which Oedipus unwittingly falls in love with/marries his mother, because she's the queen of Thebes and he's come back from a long banishment-since-babyhood thing and unwittingly killed his own father, the king of Thebes... as a result of his moral shortcomings the gods send a plague to Thebes and Oedipus, upon learning that it is a punishment for such moral failure, vows to personally put out the eyes of the miscreant, when he catches him... of course, when the whole thing is finally exposed by some messengers and shepherds, the mother hangs herself and Oedipus puts out his eyes with pins from her dress and the polis goes down the tubes, setting the stage for the two sequels. Definitely one of my favorite books ever. So the Oedipus complex is where a person falls in love with his/her parent.
     
  13. art

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    Think of it as undue fascination for dead things, as opposed to alive things, Link. Think of that man who loves his shiny, metal, and lifeless motorbike rather more than his fleshy, and very much alive, wife.
     
  14. Link the Writer

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    I remember having to do a paper for English class where I had to compare Oedipus and Hamlet in terms of the fatherhood and revenge theme. Got an 80 on it.

    To be honest? I kinda feel bad for Oedipus. The only reason he got into this quagmire was that no one bothered to tell him! The Oracle tells him, "You will kill your father, and wed your mother!!" but Oedipus thinks she speaks of the king and queen of Cornith, not Thebes (as he's spent his entire life up to that point being raised like their son.)

    Of course, you'd think he'd have the sense to not marry a woman old enough to be his mom, regardless of whether or not she actually WAS his mom.

    @ art- When you put it that way, it does make sense. Dead is inanimate. A car is inanimated. And here I was thinking it only referred to corpses. Guess it covers a much broader range than I had imagined.
     
  15. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    It was an excellent play, one of my absolute favorites. 'Rex', or 'tyrannus' means basically 'King'. So 'Oedipus Rex' literally means 'Oedipus [the] King'. And the Oedipus Complex, as Freud put it, was the unconscious attraction and trust people feel for their parents, or other parental-type figures in their childhood which determines their fetishes. Not fetishes as in bondage exactly, but anything that stimulates the sexual instincts.

    That's the thing. You can't think of it like a conscious or logical process. Because it isn't.
     
  16. Link the Writer

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    Damn. This literally-minded, and analytical person might find it a tad difficult...

    I suppose you'd have to get yourself into a subconsious mindset. I wonder how you do that?
     
  17. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    You can't. It's why we use words like 'Necrophiliac' in the way art used it. Words are pretty inadequate for describing these things, really, but they work as a short hand if that makes sense.

    There is disagreement over how the unconscious even works. Freud, if I remember rightly, thought it was just a place of chaos, where emotions and ideas form out of random patterns. Jung thought it was ordered into area-based responses, like the Ego, Id, Super Ego, The Core, and the Shadow. If you like the band Tool, and the song 46+2 you'll have heard of this before.

    It should be noted that these two theorists where at their peak in the 1920s and 30s. Imagine how much has happened since then.
     
  18. Kaymindless

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    It depends on the school of thought you go with on how they view the mind.

    Freud was ego, super ego and id. (I swear every class started with him, I was ready to stab my own eyes out.) He's a psycho-analyst (I believe that's the correct term) and his belief was basically, you as a person are created with in the first six years of your life, issues come up when you get stuck in a particular stage (oral etc) but he was a very big sub-conscious guy. Then you have some guy whose last name starts with an A, who built on Freud's life stages and expanded it through out the entire life time because he did not believe that your personality is set in stone by age 6.

    Psychology just keeps adding onto previous theories and new ones built in. For example, you have the neo psychoanalyst who do not require 15 years to fix one issue. But you have your behaviorist, your cognitive groups etc. So, in short, it depends on what school of thought you subscribe to on how they break out the subconscious.
     
  19. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    Interesting. Clearly I have only a passing knowledge of psychology. But, I thought it was 'unconscious'? I've heard from a friend doing a psychology degree that the word 'subconscious' is not a proper term in psychology.
     
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    Got a friend who's just been charged with benefit fraud. She may have called me looking for sympathy and got a bollocking for being stupid.
     
  21. Link the Writer

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    Damn. Why did she do that?
     
  22. Lemex

    Lemex That's Lord Lemex to you. Contributor

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    It's the only way some people will learn.
     
  23. Cogito

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    Some people won't learn no matter what happens.
     
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    She did it because she was completely skint. The essence of it is that she got a part-time job and accidentally-on-purpose 'forgot' to notify the DWP, and continued claiming the full JSA. She got a knock on the door late last night, spent a night in the cells being questioned, then called me pretty much the moment she got home this morning, hoping for a bit of free advice and some sympathy.

    As I say, she got no sympathy. And I may have told her that she was looking at a six-month stretch just to absolutely scare the life out of her for being completely stupid.
     
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    I don't remember ever hearing an issue with that via my professors, but a quick google search showed me you are right. Though, apparently, subconscious is our retrievable memory, unconscious is not which I do have a vague memory of going over. Honestly, Freud and me aren't on good terms, after the first three classes beginning with him, I started tuning it out. I listened close enough to re-sort what the stages were and what the id, ego and super ego did and then doodled until we moved on. I don't understand the fascination with beating him into our brains since very little is actually used from him anymore these days.
     

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