Your feedback on features affected by the upgrade

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by Daniel, Aug 7, 2013.

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What's your opinion on these features?

Poll closed Aug 28, 2013.
  1. Reputation: System is a must - keep it!

    48.6%
  2. Reputation: Lose the system - better off without it

    2.7%
  3. Reputation: Indifferent

    37.8%
  4. Albums: support, add new advanced photo albums

    24.3%
  5. Albums: opposed, lose them completely

    21.6%
  6. Workshop: support rating system

    54.1%
  7. Workshop: opposed to rating system

    24.3%
  8. Workshop: support hidden erotica section

    54.1%
  9. Workshop: opposed to hidden erotica section

    21.6%
  10. Marketplace: strongly support

    24.3%
  11. Marketplace: indifferent

    62.2%
  12. Marketplace: strongly opposed

    5.4%
  13. Publisher Discussion: support

    73.0%
  14. Publisher Discussion: oppose

    2.7%
  15. Tagging system: I use it

    27.0%
  16. Tagging system: what's that?

    48.6%
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  1. ChaosReigns

    ChaosReigns Ov The Left Hand Path Contributor

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    its clicks, i tried to get adsense set up on my blog (i gave up, a ultimately, because they kept refusing without explanation) and it was all based on clicks, same with Youtube, they are clicks
     
  2. the1

    the1 Active Member

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    I think you will find this to be incorrect.

    Adsense works with cost-per-click (CPC) and cost per thousand impressions (CPM).
     
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  3. GingerCoffee

    GingerCoffee Web Surfer Girl Contributor

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    Re the bars: I'm still working on the assumption Daniel's playing with his toys. First I had few bars, I find out it's because I give too many likes. I'd rather give likes than have bars. That's fine, I refuse to stop giving likes because I like giving likes. Then my bars start increasing. Now I have a gazillion bars. :D

    If Maia wants some of my bars, I hereby donate them to her. They're nice but, as long as I have enough to appear respectable, I'm happy to give some away.

    Re the ads: I'd love to leave them up if it meant more money for Writingforums, but then I'd have to see them everywhere. I'll keep paying supporter fees to skip the ads.
     
  4. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

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    ok... thanks for the tutorial, amigo... it all seems silly to me... can't see what the purpose is, what it's supposed to be doing or encouraging members to do... so i'll just ignore it from now on...

    ginger...
    thanks muchly for the generous offer, but i've resigned myself to what seems to be the fact that it makes little to no sense, since i've been here years longer than you, made many thousands more posts and got more 'likes,' yet still have fewer little green thingies...

    and trying to figure it out, despite wrey's kind attempts to make senes of it, would just drive me round the bend even further than i've gone already, so i'd better stop trying...

    love and hugs, m

    ps: congrats on your new title 'ribbon'!
     
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  5. jannert

    jannert Retired Mod Supporter Contributor

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    Hmmm ...plain and simple here. All this horsing around with bars/no bars, little green dots coming and going, etc. Guess what? I've stopped caring. This constant shifting around has made these features meaningless. Now I only check out when the person joined and what they have to say. No big deal.
     
  6. GingerCoffee

    GingerCoffee Web Surfer Girl Contributor

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    Perhaps what I said didn't come out right. I was speaking figuratively about giving some of my bars to you. I wasn't suggesting I earned all those little cubes that expand and contract and was donating them. I was saying I didn't feel they were properly distributed yet, and in the end my share should be less and yours more.

    And look at Jannert, why would she have none? That's just wrong. :D
     
  7. Komposten

    Komposten Insanitary pile of rotten fruit Contributor

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    I think I'm getting close to understanding the current rep system, though I'm not sure. If I've got it right:
    - The reputation is based on "credits".
    - Different event on the forum, such as receiving likes, will earn you credits.
    - Some events will cost credits, such as giving likes (even though you currently earn credits by liking posts).

    I also think it would be good with an official announcement on how reputation, likes and trophy points work. Right now it is quite unclear (i.e. I saw a member yesterday with :love:0 posts and 2 received likes and still 5 or 6 rep bars). Even though the system is not yet finished it would be nice to have a little road map over how things are and how they will be.

    Also, some things to think about for the future (these are probably already planned)
    - I had some trouble finding the credits page and ended up with manually writing
    "www.writingforums.org/credits" in the address bar to get there.
     
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  8. minstrel

    minstrel Leader of the Insquirrelgency Supporter Contributor

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    I had the same problem. There's no link to it anywhere that I could find.
     
  9. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

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    While we're on the subject, one actually can do the aforementioned. On the credits page there is a Transfer function. ;)

    I found the link at one point after the change to the new platform when I was making like a cat sniffing every inch of a new house. I cannot for the life of me relocate it. The URL bar is also my entry point.
     
  10. Komposten

    Komposten Insanitary pile of rotten fruit Contributor

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    I did a search on every page that was even slightly likely to hold such a link but came up empty-handed. The only thing I found was the link at the bottom of each page saying "Credits by Brivium" which links to the creators of the plugin.
     
  11. Pheonix

    Pheonix A Singer of Space Operas and The Fourth Mod of RP Contributor

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    I apparently have $-112.96 on here...

    That is discouraging lol :p
     
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  12. Komposten

    Komposten Insanitary pile of rotten fruit Contributor

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    Just noticed that my transactions-page says "Showing transactions -19 to -7 of 13" at the bottom. "-19 to -7 of 13"? That is interesting indeed.
     
  13. thirdwind

    thirdwind Member Contest Administrator Reviewer Contributor

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    It just means you love to like. Nothing wrong with that.

    Here, have a like. It should help with your budget deficit.
     
  14. Pheonix

    Pheonix A Singer of Space Operas and The Fourth Mod of RP Contributor

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    @thirdwind, thank you! :D lol

    I would like your post, but then that would kind of defeat the point of you giving me a like... So, I will say it.

    Thank you. I like your post. :)
     
  15. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

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    ...i was just thanking you in the same joking way as i thought your offer was made... didn't for a second take it seriously, though the thought was appreciated, made in jest or not... the distribution does seem to be inequitable to a major degree... o_O

    ...agreed!

    that they can actually be transferred, per wrey, is the most ludicrous/inexplicable aspect of the whole thing! :rolleyes:

    daniel...
    since they don't seem to make good sense or be easily understood by all, can they just be done away with, or at least returned to a simpler award-earning basis, such as was done before the switch?... and not be transferable, which makes no sense at all to me!
     
  16. psychotick

    psychotick Contributor Contributor

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    Hi Daniel,

    Still sitting here with these two great blue bars across the top of every screen. One with no writing on it and covering all of what would be the WF logo, and one about an inch below it that covers the first half dozen fora labelled Team / Private forums.

    Can you do something or do I simply wait until the next upgrade to hopefully access WF again?

    Cheers, Greg.
     
  17. shadowwalker

    shadowwalker Contributor Contributor

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    Still no change on this - coming in at the end of conversations and having to backtrack...
     
  18. Daniel

    Daniel I'm sure you've heard the rumors Founder Staff

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    This is true, we do earn some money from impressions, but in WF's case it's mostly clicks.

    Are you still having this problem?

    Is this still an issue?

    In regards to reputation,

    I think I'm on the same page as you guys. I agree that it shouldn't be transferable, it shouldn't change so much, and I liked it much better when there were only a few bars instead of such a large number for some people.

    I won't be able to restore the past reputation values. I do plan on re-working the reputation system in the future. Unfortunately, that will cost a small cash investment which I can't currently afford - so bear with me.

    If the consensus is to disable it until a new solution can be implemented, I can do that to.

    Before it was related to only reputation. Immediately after the upgrade it was related only to likes. Now it's a number of factors. The drop was the change of the software, darker ones are sort of "doubled up" I believe.

    With the current system things like logging in daily, getting a thread stickied, making a high quality post, adding a resource (not yet, but soon), getting a post like, etc. will give you rep. But again, this whole system will be revised in some way or another once I'm able.

    Did your blog have it's own domain? If it was a subdomain, blogname.bloghost.com, then that's probably why.

    That's the gist of it, though there's currently no cost for giving likes, and if I change it it will be very small, like -.01.

    I will make an official announcement or at least a FAQ entry on these things once I can.

    As for the credits page, honestly I'd rather do away with it altogether. Part of the problem with the current rep system is it's too bloated with extra features I can't disable (like the ability to transfer... psh).

    If that's the consensus, I can do that until we can develop a better system.

    I will try to look into this now, but I suspect it's IE. Right now I can view the site fine in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari, and though there's a few issues with mobile, it doesn't seem to have the problems your describing.
     
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  19. Daniel

    Daniel I'm sure you've heard the rumors Founder Staff

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    Thanks for everyone's patience. If there's a somewhat urgent issue please email support@writingforums.org.

    I'm going through this thread now. For the problems mentioned here I haven't specifically addressed, don't worry, I will investigate them - I just have a very long to do list.
     
  20. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

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    No. It was just for those few days. I think it was my email server. Like a guy who refuses to believe 8 track is really dead, I still have AOL. :oops:
     
  21. Komposten

    Komposten Insanitary pile of rotten fruit Contributor

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    About that "logging-in rep". You will get rep for logging in, but if you have auto-login (aka remember me) you don't get anything... :(
    And is it "once a day" or do you receive rep with each log in? If so, spamming login-logout would give you a lot of rep...
     
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  22. minstrel

    minstrel Leader of the Insquirrelgency Supporter Contributor

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    Hey, dude, technology goes in cycles! Eight track will be back! You gotta believe!

    (Uh, technology does go in cycles, doesn't it? I'm right on that, right? Right?) :D
     
  23. Daniel

    Daniel I'm sure you've heard the rumors Founder Staff

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    Alright, a little more regarding the reputation system.

    I think we need either: 1) the classic rep system, separate from likes, with rep points, 2) a much revised version of what we have now, with clear ways to earn reps, reps being harder to earn, and relevant factors influencing it (partially by likes, seniority, resources added, quality threads, things like that).

    On the XF software add-on market there are solutions for both of these available. However, my concern with #1 is that since this solution in particular is a relatively new software solution not used by many people, it might not be supported for the long-term, and we'll have this issue all over again. My concern with #2 is that altogether there are more software users so it'll be around longer, it's much more pricey, has a bunch of extra bloating features (like transferring credits, the credits page, and so on).

    Right now I can't purchase either solution. Once we decided which solution we want (even if it's different from the two above), and once I raise enough capital, we'll implement either a brand new system or a version of the current system that's been adjusted due to it's current state.

    In the meantime - knowing that the rep system will eventually be changed, probably in a few months - would you guys rather disable the rep system entire, leave it as it is, or switch it to only represent post likes? Remember, it'll probably be revised in a few months, so everyone's rep bars will change at least somewhat and the factors impacting it will change.

    I'll work on a rep explanation soon. I agree that likes should be more casual and reps should do more to actual reflect everyone's reputation.

    Right now I can make it so 300 (x) likes = 1 rep bar, or something like that. I'm not sure what you mean above about 100 reps. Basically 300 likes = 100 reps = 1 bar?

    The concern here is that rep is 100% completely tied to likes, which I don't think's ideal, because likes are too casual. Rep should be rarer or influenced by several relevant factors.

    I should probably add this to the FAQ.

    Right now Reply is to quote that particular post. Quote is closer to the multi-quote we were familiar with. To use it you clock "Quote" on every post you want to quote. After clicking it should change to "Quote+". When you go to the editor, click the button "Load Quotes" and it'll load all the quotes you've selected.

    It might be better if I rename "Quote" as "Multi-Quote".

    I believe these internal server errors have been 99% taken care of. If this isn't the case, and if anyone reading this is still getting them, please respond here or email support@writingforums.org with the exact time, url, your username, and the posts contents; I can then relatively easily fix it - the problem is there are "trigger" keywords that are throwing the error.

    @mammamaia , I know I haven't addressed everything on that list you sent me. I haven't forgotten and I appreciate you taking the time to point out all those issues - I'll take another look over it once I resolve all the issues in this thread.

    As for the short story categories not showing which have new posts, right now the sub-forums have a small circle icon that indicates there are new posts in the forum. Or are you talking about individual threads? Is this still an issue or has it been addressed? :oops:

    So this is still an issue. I apologize, I completely forgot. I see how this could be really, really annoying. I will look into this right now.

    Just to be clear, clicking on (some) threads take to you the latest "first unread" post in threads you've never visited? How often is this happening? Sometimes or all the time?

    In threads you have read or opened, does it properly take you to the newest unread posts?

    Answers to these questions will help me figure out what's up.

    Is anyone else experiencing this issue? If so please chime in, I can't seem to replicate it.
     
  24. Daniel

    Daniel I'm sure you've heard the rumors Founder Staff

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    AOL? [​IMG].

    Did you test it? How do you know for sure? I checked and it is once a day max for logging in.

    Really though, it's negligible. Logging in a max of one per day earns you .01 credits. This means after 100 logins you'd earn 1 credit. In comparison, receiving a post like gives you 2 credits. So 1 like = 200 logins. These amounts might not seem exactly balanced, and admittedly it's not, but the system gives me the ability to make it so factors like logging in daily have a small, even if negligible, impact.

    But again, it doesn't matter too much since the system will be revised sooner or later.
     
  25. shadowwalker

    shadowwalker Contributor Contributor

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    This happens with each thread I click on, every time I click on one, whether or not I've looked at them before. Is there perhaps something in profile settings that needs to be changed (no idea what it might be but...)?
     

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